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chesswithwifeOn my first date with my wife, we went to a coffee shop. It was the usual chit-chat, just asking about interests and so forth. Since I had just started playing hobby games, I mentioned that I liked to play board games a lot. I assumed the conversation would end there, so I didn’t offer many details. But then she asked me if I’d heard of a game she enjoyed. She couldn’t recall the name, but it involved little wooden men and small tiles that you played together to create roads and cities that gave you points. She was talking about Carcassonne, a game that I had also recently discovered. It was a nice bit of common ground in that nervous world of the first date.

That makes it sound a little like board games brought us together, and I assure you this was not the case. I have plenty of good female friends who are fun to play games with, so if that was my only standard I wouldn’t have been so picky. But for a long time my wife and I did play a lot of games together. It was a standard way to spend an evening for a while. It continued after we got married, for at least a year or so. But then…we had that first kid.

 

 When people say that children change everything, they mean it. In my experience, most of parenthood is learning how to adapt to the new normal, only to have “normal” change again. Now our evenings were occupied with a small helpless baby, and when that baby went to sleep it was hard to find time for games. Well, not hard for me. I still played whenever I could, usually with my friends. But my wife gradually grew less interested. For me, gaming was a relaxing thing, something that helped me unwind. For her, it was not a way to rest. It was an activity to do, something that was fun but that you don’t do all the time. To complicate the situation, our tastes drifted apart. I indulged my love of sci-fi and fantasy, and moved towards more complex games with wizards and whatever, while she stayed pretty firmly in the realm of light Euros and family games. Those realms intersect from time to time, but not nearly as often as they used to.

Gaming is, in some ways, a rather vulnerable activity. There’s a low-key intimacy to it, where you all agree to abide by a shared set of rules, and you trust the other people to behave properly. You learn a lot about people at the game table, and you reveal a lot about yourself. I find it difficult to game with a table of complete strangers for this very reason. I know how my friends will react to a game, but “mind if I join you” guy? Who knows what he’ll do? And on the surface, one’s spouse seems like the ideal gaming partner. After all, there’s ideally no one you know better.

But it’s rarely that simple, of course. Not every gamer gets paired up with another one. I know people whose spouses aren’t inclined to play Uno, much less any Euro game. I firmly believe that this isn’t really an issue, but some people are sure that it is. You can see the threads all over BGG, with titles that are all some variation on ‘What game should I get to play with my wife?” And everyone is eager to offer up their suggestions, like testimonies at church. “Lost Cities worked for me!”

I don’t care much for threads like this. Most of the posters tend to be men (since this is a male-dominated hobby), and the conversation usually goes the same direction it always does: Suggestions of light, non-confrontational games with cute components or themes. As sexism in nerdery goes, that’s a pretty mild form, but it’s there all the same. While there are plenty of women who enjoy games like this (my own wife, for one), I’ve known many who would rather play something more aggressive.

Another issue that I have is that it’s always a problem in a two-player situation when one person isn’t totally invested. If you’re buying games with someone else in mind, it’s a good way to end up with a lot of games that you don’t play. I’ve tried this a few times myself, and either I like the game and my wife merely tolerates it, or she likes it fine and I don’t care for it enough to ever suggest it. Either way results in a wasted purchase.

Most gamers harbor a belief that if you just found the right game, everyone is a gamer waiting to bloom. I don’t think this happens very often, but it doesn’t keep us from trying. Oh, most people like games well enough, but very few are going to be the types to get a BGG account and hang out at the game store into the wee hours. However, gaming means a lot to us, and we use it as a way to connect with others around us. It’s only natural to want to make that connection with one’s spouse.

But I’ve learned over the past couple of years that it’s less important than I thought it was. The truth is, my other friends play plenty of games with me as it is. She may not like it as much as I do, and that’s alright. She’s more than willing to play when it’s more than just the two of us anyway, so it’s not like we’re never at the same table together. And in a way, this difference between us is a relief. We don’t need to like all the same stuff. It’s more important to like the person than it is to like their hobbies. And as is always the case in marriage, you compromise. She will sometimes play things like Innovation or Dungeonquest with me, and I play Ticket to Ride and Dominion. We do it to spend time together, which is more important anyway.

And here we are again, less than a week away from the due date for our second baby. Our lives are about to shift once again, and we go back to sleepless nights and spit-up, with the added bonus of getting to take care of a two-year-old as well. Last night, it seemed appropriate to go to the game shelf and dust off our banged-up Carcassonne set. And before the world plunges into the chaos of a newborn baby, we spent an hour becoming reacquainted with each other over those stacks of tiles. There may not always be time for games, but there will always be time for each other.

I totally won too.


Nate Owens is a weekly columnist for Fortress: Ameritrash. He drinks too much coffee and likes the Star Wars prequels. You can read more of his mental illness at The Rumpus Room.

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  • avatarSuperflyTNT
    Quote:
    There’s a low-key intimacy to it, where you all agree to abide by a shared set of rules, and you trust the other people to behave properly. You learn a lot about people at the game table, and you reveal a lot about yourself.


    Tell me - Are you familiar with the works of Shan Yu?

    I think there is a gamer in everyone and it really is the matter of finding the right game. My wife played Palladium RPG when I was 18, which was a sure sign that my nerdery (which went into hiding during the drug and alcohol fuelled party years of 1994-2000) would be tolerated one day. And it also proved to me that she would play a game occasionally.

    Turns out that it was my Xbox that got her re-engaged. We loves us some action RPGS, so Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 1/2, Champions of Norrath and its sequel, and the game which was the mix of all things golden, Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, showed us something we could spend Saturdays until 3AM doing besides the usual wine-and-coitus.

    But then we found Crokinole. My God in heaven. The minute I bought that shitty Mayday board (and just before we realized what it had done to the table) she was entralled. We played it, even with the "slick spots" and issues. She loves it so much, in fact, that even I was getting sick of playing it. But, I had to fix it, and 8oz of Envirotex Lite and 2 hours of sanding later, we had a playable board.

    But, as you know, that fucker went to Goodwill. Partly out of spite because I didn't want it at home, but partly because I knew that she'd want a proper board.

    So, we didn't play for a long time because Stan Hilinski had a backlog. But she picked it out, she chose the style, and she demanded only the best.

    And now, in our "downstairs, children-free zone" we have it on the wall, and we still play it.

    So, there is a gamer in all of us, the trick is finding people that like the same games you do, and being open minded in trying out other stuff. Mamasan has played almost all of my games, and some she is always down to play, enthusiastically, where others she abhors. For me, it's all about playing what she likes and what I like, and playing the others with other people.

    And unlike me with going shoe-shopping with her, it's not something that's forced and loathed. The trick to it all, to everything, really, is to simply find common ground and not force your partner/wife/hubby to do things that they're not comfortable doing or something they don't enjoy just so you can be happy. It's unfair, and it doesn't even make the game fun if you're playing with someone whose heart isn't in it.

  • avatarrepoman
    Quote:
    I don’t care much for threads like this. Most of the posters tend to be men (since this is a male-dominated hobby), and the conversation usually goes the same direction it always does: Suggestions of light, non-confrontational games with cute components or themes. As sexism in nerdery goes, that’s a pretty mild form, but it’s there all the same. While there are plenty of women who enjoy games like this (my own wife, for one), I’ve known many who would rather play something more aggressive.

    Well as mentioned elsewhere, this section of your post is total bullshit. To suggest that saying most women being introduced to the hobby of boardgaming prefer non-confrontational and light games is some form of "mild sexism" is ridiculous. What is "mild sexism" anyway? Is that like "mild racism"?

    If I were to suggest that wives like to receive flowers from their husbands, would that make me a "mild sexist"? Of course not because 99% of the time it is true. Sure there are exceptions as with everything.

    I grow so weary of these labels such as "sexist" being applied at the slightest opportunity. Denying women the right to vote is sexist. Suggesting that women like things to smell nice is not.

  • avatarTevin  - re:
    repoman wrote:
    Quote:
    I don’t care much for threads like this. Most of the posters tend to be men (since this is a male-dominated hobby), and the conversation usually goes the same direction it always does: Suggestions of light, non-confrontational games with cute components or themes. As sexism in nerdery goes, that’s a pretty mild form, but it’s there all the same. While there are plenty of women who enjoy games like this (my own wife, for one), I’ve known many who would rather play something more aggressive.


    Well as mentioned elsewhere, this section of your post is total bullshit. To suggest that saying most women being introduced to the hobby of boardgaming prefer non-confrontational and light games is some form of "mild sexism" is ridiculous. What is "mild sexism" anyway? Is that like "mild racism"?

    If I were to suggest that wives like to receive flowers from their husbands, would that make me a "mild sexist"? Of course not because 99% of the time it is true. Sure there are exceptions as with everything.

    I grow so weary of these labels such as "sexist" being applied at the slightest opportunity. Denying women the right to vote is sexist. Suggesting that women like things to smell nice is not.

    You are wrong.

    What is sexism?

    Sexism is not just a single act or restriction against (in this case) women.

    Sexism can also be assumptions that we can and do make about women every day. It may not look like the sexism that you have grown up looking for, but it is.

    Why?

    Because it creates a stereotype of 'woman,' regarding their tastes and inclinations. It assumes that because sometimes a thing is true of some women, it must be true for all women. So we start these threads with the assumption that women will like certain things, but rarely do we ever ask 'well, what sort of things does your wife normally like?' The answers are not direct toward the actual individual, rather, that monolithic 'wife' that we build up in our minds as having certain likes and dislikes. And it makes so many assumptions about what this Wife likes. So many stereotypes. And it. Is. Sexism.

    Is it as heinous as denying women's suffrage? Certainly not. But these quiet assumptions about that we, as men, make about women without ever considering them as people create the conditions that allow the denial of women's rights.

    So go ahead and grow weary. I grow weary of people like you, who try and equivocate and make excuses and perpetuate the acceptance of the assumptions that I outlined above.

    Grow the fuck up.

    EDIT: I don't want this to derail the article, since the article has nothing to do with sexism. I created a thread over here if you want to continue.

  • avatarDukeofChutney
    Quote:
    Tell me - Are you familiar with the works of Shan Yu?

    Yes

    http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110723183432/villainstournament/images/2/29/Shan-Yu-Mulan.jpg

  • avatarSan Il Defanso  - re: re:
    Tevin wrote:

    EDIT: I don't want this to derail the article, since the article has nothing to do with sexism. I created a thread over here if you want to continue.

    Yeah, if this conversation is going to happen the forums are the place to do it. Sexism in gaming was really not my point here at all.

    Pete, you're right about how it's no fun to play a game when someone just isn't feeling it. Rather, it CAN be fun, but especially in a marriage/relationship context, there's just no point. You're too real at that point to pretend to really be enjoying yourself. There have been plenty of times that my wife and I have started a game and then bailed on it because one of us didn't like it much. Part of loving each other is agreeing to do things for each other, but taking advantage of that is a good way to build some resentment.

  • avatarSagrilarus

    My wife and I have come to an agreement. She doesn't have to game with me and I don't have to quilt with her. Its seems like a solid deal for both of us.

    S.

  • avatarSpace Ghost

    My wife plays some games, but what she tells her friends is "nothing with dragons". She is ridiculously good at business games like Acquire and loves party games like Dixit, Times Up!, etc.

    Wargames and heavy fantasy are reserved for fellow nerds.

  • avatarDisgustipater
    Quote:
    If you’re buying games with someone else in mind, it’s a good way to end up with a lot of games that you don’t play.


    I've bought a few games that I was interested in (i.e. Wiz-War and Nexus Ops) and the main impetus of purchase was that I thought they fit the criteria of games my girlfriend likes, but she hated both of them. I like them and get to play them elsewhere, so it is no loss, but in the future I definitely wont be buying a game just on the idea that she might like it as something we could play together.

    At this point I'm content to just stick with the games we already have that she likes, especially since she's never asked for new games.

  • avatarDeath and Taxis

    Before we had kids, my wife and I played Heroscape. HEROSCAPE!
    But not any more. Once the first sprog was hatched, her desire for gaming completely fell away and I could probably count on one hand the amount of times we have gamed in the six years since. She's just not a "gamer" and while I would like it if she showed more interest, it's not the be all and end all.


    Best wishes for baby number two. My third arrived four weeks ago and I just never get used to the sleep-dep. Haven't gamed for about six weeks now and I'm starting to suffer from withdrawal. On a positive note, my six-year old is showing an interest in some of "Daddy's games" and I think my wife will probably jump back in once the kids are older and we are sitting around the table as a family playing cards or whatever.

  • avatarEgg Shen

    I guess I can consider myself lucky. My fiance has no problem playing whatever game I throw onto the table. Even if she hates a game and knows I like it, she will still play it. Honestly, my gaming buddies are more picky than she is...and they usually take longer to figure out the rules.

    The door swings both ways though. I usually don't complain when she takes over the TV and I'm forced to watch reality garbage like Keeping Up With the Kardashians or Dance Moms...

    I'll go to the ballet/theatre...she goes to see The Expendables. It's a give and take type thing and it works just fine in my book.

  • avatarldsdbomber

    apart from the bit where you have a group of friends you can play with enough to keep you happy, this sounds remarkably close to home.

    I envy you guys that can make the time, ours is 20 months old and still has slept exactly twice through the night, we are exhausted, and he is a right little bundle of energy and requires constant attention

    a typical day is he wakes between 5 and 5.30, usually the missus has had to go in his room and sleep beside him for most of the night, so she gets up with him, I get up about 7 and get ready for work, taking a mini shift so the wife can do the same, we drop him off at daycare and work from 8 till about 4 for her (when she picks him up) and most often 6 or 7 for me, shes knackered keeping him busy and feeding him before bed, and even though he usually falls asleep around 7.30 and doesnt start waking until after midnight, we havent even made our own dinner yet, much less thought about unwinding. When we've finished eating and realise we really SHOULD go to bed right now to avoid being tired to death we might force ourselves to watch one of our downloaded TV series (currently dexter) for 50 minutes but honestly there's pretty much zero time for gaming in the week.

    We could make something work in the weekend, but then I haven't found the right group setup yet, am still recovering from being knackered, and we also have the problem of him needing attention all day, in a high energy fashion, so he has to go out to the park, for a walk, play in the bath, read his books, run around and play with us, eat etc. So to be honest, I'm freaking amazed that we EVER get to play games, usually if we get a babysitter for a night we're so shitface knackered the last thing we want to do is set some crap up on the table.

    At least the iPad has allowed me to play some games, but I'm getting fed up with the 1 move a day async nonsense, so need to find some regular partners there too

    Considering before the kid our free time outside restaurants and cocktails (home made) and the usual couples stuff was setting up games and playing most nights, and often whole weekends, this has represented what can only be described as a nuclear bomb of change

  • avatarJexik  - re:
    Death and Taxis wrote:
    Before we had kids, my wife and I played Heroscape. HEROSCAPE!

    A girlfriend and I played Heroscape. Once.

    She named one of her Warriors of Ashra "Beverly" and despite that being the only figure that died the whole game in her landslide victory over me, she still complained that I had the gall to kill one of her figures.

    I find that girls really do play fewer board games than boys. I find that they tend to prefer euros, coops, and other less confrontational games. And I don't. The only games like that which I regularly enjoy are short and card based (7 Wonders, Dominion, Race for the Galaxy), or potentially heavy on the interaction (Settlers of Catan, Dominant Species).

    So I've decided that my next girlfriend or wife doesn't need to share my opinions on what makes a fun board game, because it's pretty low on my list of priorities.

    1. Looks good
    2. Cooks good.
    3. Personality.
    4. Thinks I'm awesome.
    ...
    n. Enjoys Summoner Wars.

    Instead I'll try to find other things that we enjoy doing together. I guess that makes me sexist. :D

  • avatarSka_baron

    I finally figured out (by way of a... discussion!) that my wife prefered games without the "take that" aspect. Not that she dislikes being mean, but she just wants to build things up, not try to tear them down. She's fine with with military in 7 Wonders but dislikes curses in Dominion. She's fine with zombie cards and swings of luck in Last Night on Earth but hates betting in Hold em.

    She also told me she loves card games, so there's that to hold on to.

    I haven't found generalizing to be useful as my other female friends have all felt different about what games they do/do not care for.

  • avatarEgg Shen

    Again, I guess I must be lucky because my fiance prefers games with direct confrontation and backstabbing fuckery.

    She usually gets pissed off if we play a co-op or a game that doesn't let you directly screw over the person sitting next to you. Also if we play a game where there are 'heroes' and a general bad guy...she demands to be the bad guys.

  • avatarSan Il Defanso

    My wife enjoys building things too. She loves Carcassonne, but she finds the knock-over-everything aspect of Galaxy Trucker to be off-putting. In general, she just doesn't like messing with rules. She's the type who would much rather play Talisman than Arkham Horror.

    Playing with her in a group is a different kettle of fish. She really likes Cosmic Encounter and Battlestar Galactica, which obviously totally blow with just two people.

  • avatarJoelCFC25
    Quote:
    I envy you guys that can make the time, ours is 20 months old and still has slept exactly twice through the night, we are exhausted


    Wow...that would be brutal. I feel for you. We hit the lottery with our daughter--started sleep training her right around the age of 3 months and she took to it like a champ. We don't take it for granted though, because we have plenty of friends who've had similar experiences to yours. My wife is convinced the pendulum will swing the other way with our 2nd and he/she will be a hellion.

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