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playing games with kidsThinking back, though, over the history of F:AT since its blog days, there seem to be few discussions about gaming with kids (besides the great articles and posts by Uba). F:ATties discuss gaming when they were kids, but I see few posts about gaming with kids or about their kids gaming. I’ve often wondered about this gap in F:AT’s forums. Is it because no one wants to replicate BGG posts about trying to get their 4 year old to play Caylus (KingPut, can you help us out on that one) ? Or is it that the F:AT demographic is skewed towards those without children or with kids too young? I really don’t know the answer to this and would be interested in hearing feedback.

I mostly play games with my family -- my wife, my 8 year old daughter and my 13 year old son. I’ll usually play with either my son, with my daughter, or the whole family (about the only time my wife will play). While I play sporadically with other people in the area—it is mostly Settlers of Catan (though I did fit in Cutthroat Caverns last year). Look, I’m in the middle of BFE (does anyone even use that term anymore or is it as archaic as I am?)---flyover country to most of you. My town of about 6,000 people is great for raising a family (we can walk to the movie theater, post office, work, school, grocery store, bakery, and library) but it is also about an hour away from the nearest organized gaming group. Driving almost 120 miles round trip to play games with strangers is not that appealing with a family. (Though even if I lived in a major metropolitan area, I’d likely still want to do a lot of my gaming with my family—they’ll be out of the house sooner than you think!)

What games will the entire family will want to play—including my wife? No family wants to play a game that one family member has to just “endure” because it is too simple or too complex.  What games fit this bill?  Basically, the game has to appeal to a wide age range and have a premium on fun—not brain burning exercises. Our family also likes quite a bit of theme and interaction.

I thought I’d recommend a brief list of games that might fit the bill for F:AT readers with families (or that game with young kids occasionally) with the hope that everyone else can chime in with their own suggestions. Although some of these games might never be classified as Ameritrash games, I think most are a blast to play and most have a decent level of theme.

Gulo Gulo is a dexterity game that is brilliant precisely because kids and adults can play on more or less equal footing. Kids have the advantage because they have small little fingers to try and grab wooden eggs out of the Wolverine nest without knocking down the alarm stick in the middle of the eggs. It is a race to the end of a gradually unfolding track of different colored tiles. If you are on a red tile and the next tile is a green tile, then if you get a green egg you can move up one space. But if six spaces up is a yellow tile (with no intervening yellow tiles), then if you successfully choose a yellow egg you move all the way up the list. If you mess up and the alarm stick falls out, you go back to the last tile of the color egg you were trying to nab. Though we don’t play it as much lately, we’ll still play it occasionally even when only adults are out (or if we’ve been drinking).

Pick Picnic is a fun little game that our entire family loves. The artwork is cool. Basically, each round there are pieces of corn are put on six different farm yards (each with a different color). The corn cubes are of varying quality represented by points. Each player has a hand of cards with either a) chickens corresponding to each colored farm yard or b) Foxes. The cards also have varying numbers with the max being a six. On the count of three, each player lays down a card. If you have the highest numbered blue chicken placed on the blue farm yard, then you get all the corn there (survival of the fittest)—the other chickens starve. If there’s a tie, then you can negotiate a settlement or there’s a die roll. However, if someone laid a blue fox on that farm yard, then the fox eats ALL the chickens (and scores the value of the chicken’s numbers!). Basically, that’s the game. After each round, new corn is put out and a new card is dealt. This continues til all the corn is laid out. For a quick little family game, there’s quite a bit of interaction (heck, you can eat the other players chickens!). In addition, since it is blind selection of cards, kids can often fare just as well as adults.

Survive is an older game beloved by many of this site (and discussed in the past here). An older children’s game now out of print by Milton Bradley, it simulates a bunch of people fleeing an island slowly disappearing. To make matters worse, the people fleeing can be attacked by all sorts of creatures in the sea, too. Don’t despair of finding this in thrift shops, either—I’ve found 3 in the past 2 years for about fifty cents each.

Cash ‘N Guns is another one that plays fast and furious, especially on the intro level for younger kids. Similar to Survive, this is a game that “gamers” often play but it is also fun for families with young kids. Where else can you play a board game and point foam guns at your kids to earn money (or kill them)?

Pit (make sure you get the version with the big ol’ bell) makes you feel like you’re on the floor of the Chicago Board of Exchange yelling and screaming to get various cards. It plays quick with a large number of people (including the kids’ friends) and never fails to cause a laugh. This game is over 100 years old and should be in every F:AT game closet—especially if you have kids.

Sorry Sliders is another game that combines the essential parts of the old game sorry with cool multi-player shuffleboard. People compare it to Crokinole (but I’ve never played that). You slide cool little Sorry pieces down a track to a target area (2-4 players) and try to get the highest number of points to move all your pieces up into the “Home” space. No real theme but you can whack the heck out of your kids pawns!

So, are there are any other games that fit in this category that I might overlook or might not normally be discussed on this site (e.g., I’m looking at a Horse Fair Card Game for my horse-loving daughter…)? What do you play with the entire family or at family gatherings where there are kids?

 



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  • avatarKen B.

    I'm all about gaming with my kids. In fact, I gained a newfound appreciation for Talisman from playing it with my oldest son.

  • avatarStan Leer

    I have 3 year old, going on 4. I have tried a number of games with her. She gets bored of the rules easily but here are ones where we have had some fun. In general it is just her and I playing.

    Gulo Gulo- I got it for her. We used to play this more often. The toy aspect of teh eggs and gulos trumped teh game aspect as she would feed the gulos and take care of them. The eggs got used for everything but the game. I think is a good leveling game between adults and children. My little one gets frustrated though if she knocks the stick over more than a couple of time.

    Cha Cha Chicken- Instead of making a tedious circle of never ending memory, I make two race tracks. One for her and one for me. This give a clear winner and shortens the game. We can play for several of the tale feathers.

    Mancala- We count the stones, she can move them around herself. She likes to steal daddy's stones. We get to practice counting. I set up moves for her to steal stones or fill up her cups. The simple rule set, do something mean to Daddy option, and very tactile pieces make this my current favorite to play with her.

    Hey Thats My Fish- I really like this game. There is alot of fun in there for adults as well as kids. I coach her through some of the moves. She gets that more fish are better. She likes the penguins and toy aspect of the penguins. She wants to feed the penguins her fish so she has motivation. I wish we played this more often.

    Pitchcar mini- Setting up the track is like a puzzle. She is remarkably good and flicking car around the track, way better than me. We don't really play with any rules but instead just knock the cars around the track

    Go Away Monster- I got this for her when she was two. She was a early talker and liked throwing the monsters. It is boring as all get out but I think it helped to encourage taking turns. She likes to decorate her room. She learned to share and help finish other peoples rooms.

    The toy aspect of games has always appealed to her. She loves to go into my games and pull them out. Mostly she likes to dump out the pieces and sort through them. Her all time favorite in this regard is Mystery of the Abbey. I have made up some simple rules for rolling and moving the monks around the board. She likes to take them from the library to their rooms to abbot (for story time).

  • avatarGrudunza

    I play a lot of games with my girls (5 and 7). Games we like to play include Sorry Sliders, Enchanted Forest, Max (a great and simple co-op game for younger kids), Hey That's My Fish, Go Fish, Balloon Lagoon, Don't Break the Ice, The Incredibles Game, Monkeying Around, Operation, Perfection and Tier auf Tier.

    No matter what, theme is huge for them. In fact, I can get them some games that I know will more or less suck because I know they'll have a great time just playing around with the pieces and making up stories (The Lion King Adventure Game and Life, the Spongebob version, are great examples of that).

    I also made an Incredibles variant for Pandemic which I hope to teach them that game with before too long.

  • avatarmikoyan

    Any animal that can take down a deer isn't going to bother with eggs...I'm just sayin'.

  • avatardave

    My daughter just turned six, and we have been playing games for a long time. The big colorful games from Germany (Gulo Gulo, Orchard, etc.) were great when she was 3. Lately, we have been doing more Euros of the likes of Transamerica, Zooleretto, and Ra Dice Game. The most A/T-ish of all the games we have played are from Ravensburger: Sphinx, Luxor, and especially Magic Hill.

  • avatarddsmith

    I have a two year old daughter. She is just beginning to get the concept of taking turns. We play:

    Bobbin Bumble Bee; no turns, fun toy, not to be played by four bearded adults
    Animal upon Animal (TIer auf Tier); The toy aspect of the animal pieces really trumps the game at this point. Adults can play this one and it can get nasty.
    Cranium Cariboo; souped up matching/sorting game,This is her favorite.

    As for why we don't talk about kids games much. I think its too closely related to the "Gateway Game" heresy. The difference between the two being that kids games are for short people who don't understand taking turns, loosing (winning), following rules, and remembering rules; "Gateway Games" are for people who don't like taking turns, loosing, following rules, or remembering rules. Kids can be taught these things and may enjoy them; adults who don't like them will rarely be swayed by a game and if they could be, why not play something good.

    The window for kids games is also really narrow. It's only a couple (OK maybe five or six) year between Candyland and Risk. So you have half a decade (plus) of kids games and then several decades of the games we talk about. With that perspective, I really don't think the discussion has underrepresented kids games.

  • avatarubarose
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    The window for kids games is also really narrow. It's only a couple (OK maybe five or six) year between Candyland and Risk.

    This is true, and during that time they will grow out of, and into games as fast as they do their clothes.

  • avatarMerkles
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    ddsmith The window for kids games is also really narrow. It's only a couple (OK maybe five or six) year between Candyland and Risk. So you have half a decade (plus) of kids games and then several decades of the games we talk about. With that perspective, I really don't think the discussion has underrepresented kids games.

    You're right about window for kids games. I guess I was think more of a family(or any gathering with kids) that has a relatively wide age range. Games where the older brother, for example, isn't bored out of his mind on Candyland but would still play the game.

    Gulo Gulo, for example, isn't played much at our house anymore--but the kids will still play it with fun when another family or some younger kids come over. So it still serves that purpose. (Or with adults that are drinking, for that matter).

  • avatarSagrilarus


    My two youngest are seven and I almost feel like I'm not qualified to answer questions on the subject anymore.

    S.

  • avatarSagrilarus


    So kid-friendly trash is in, eh? That's part of the reason I like The Adventurers, as a single adult acting as the GM can keep the play moving even for the young ones. They only need to manage a small amount of detail to be in the game. Part of this is not having a lot of hidden information, and another part is intuitive gameplay. Heroscape works the same way. You need to add up their bonuses and the like, but once that's done the kids know how to do the rest -- it just makes sense. I'd like to see a list of "Just Makes Sense" games as, often as not, that's the list you want to look at for your kids at birthday time.

    S.

  • avatarubarose
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    My two youngest are seven and I almost feel like I'm not qualified to answer questions on the subject anymore.

    7 or 8 years old (depending upon the kid) is kind of a dividing line in children's games. That's when they can red and do math well enough that they can really play games. Younger kids tend to play with games, thus the toy like aspect of most games made for 6 and younger. 10 years old is the next dividing line, as that is when the ability to predict and think abstractly just begins to kick in, so you see the beginning of logical reasoning and limited strategic thinking. By 12 years old the ability for abstract thinking and logical reasoning is typically fully developed, and will continue to improve with age and experience, thus by the age of 12 a person is capable of learning and playing most boardgames. Therefore, although people often limit the term "children's games" to those designed for pre-schoolers, I feel that there is are several divisions of children's games: under 6, 6+, 8+ and 10+. The under 6 and the 6+ games get grown out of pretty quickly.

    So, Sag, I think you will be qualified to to answer questins regarding children's games for several more years.

  • avatarStephen Avery

    No gaming with kids for me. I'm around children 90% of the time so gaming is my escape and I selfishly keep it that way.

    Ha! I wrote a huge rant about the age approprietness of gaming and my personal disgust about people forcing game culture onto kids... and then miskeyed and lost it.

    Uba's on the money though and many people don't realize the developmental stages of kids or want to believe that their child is vastly advanced.


    Steve"ManChild"Avery

  • avatarMerkles

    I never force my kids to play anything (instruments, baseball, games) Heck...it was the kids who got me really into gaming the last 5 years, esp my son. He saw some kids playing Battle Cry when he was in 3rd grade and that was it...he wanted to play a game with guys on the board. My daughter likes different games than my son (no surprise) but they like some equally well. My daughter likes word games more, likes the 10 Days in Africa series, likes Sorry Sliders, Pick Picnic, Carcassonne, etc.

    We'll occasionally have a night once or twice a month that we'll play games as a family as a semi-plan..but sometimes it is a movie or something else. The kids usually decide (but the default is what my younger daughter wants).

    And gamer culture?!!? We don't know what that is (at least not first hand)...unless I get to see it at Avery's house up close and personal.

  • avatarStephen Avery

    Gamer culture = conventions, hard core game nerds, CCG shops, larger game gatherings.
    You're in a different environment being in a small town. At any given con there is always a few kids who are either expected to play games like adults or virtually ignored and left to languish for hours to entertain themselves. It irritates me to no end that their parents put them in that situation.

    Steve"bitchin"Avery

  • avatariguanaDitty

    This is good stuff for me as I have a few years before my 4 month old is ready for gaming.
    There's also a few rpg's that sound good for kids - Mouse Guard, Toon...anything with a storytelling-emphasizing ruleset seems pretty cool, at least in theory.

  • avatarAncient_of_MuMu

    I have two daughters, one turned 6 yesterday and the other 3 and a half. My wife often says to me of my eldest "I wanted to marry you, not raise you", so it is no surprise she likes playing games, particularly Ameritrash. She has been playing games with me since she was 3, generally I coach her and help so it mostly feels like I am playing both sides with a spectator.

    While in the last year she has received a lot of mainstream games as gifts which we play together ('Snakes and Ladders', 'Guess Who', 'Junior Scrabble', 'Rivers, Roads and Rails') my favourite time is when she requests to play my games. With things like Space Hulk or Heroquest she just wants to play with the figures, but she does enjoy 'Dungeonquest', 'Nexus Ops' and 'Elk Fest' (and sometimes 'Carcassonne' and 'Crossbows and Catapults'). She has tried 'Arkham Horror' and 'Tales of the Arabian Nights' but they are too long and she loses interest mid way.

    At 6 she is getting the basics of strategy and we are now starting to discuss the basics of game theory (eg she is learning that there are some games like Snakes and Ladders that you can't get better at).

    My 3 year old on the other hand isn't that interested in games. She joins in sometimes at Candyland or something similar, but normally gives up in frustration midway.

  • avatarMerkles

    Forgot Tales of the Arabian Nights!! Probably the game that spanned the age gap of my kids--they both loved it (whereas even my son didn't get into Arkham Horror yet). They could have cared less about the "winning" -- even though my son is quite competitive (sometimes too much, but he's getting better).

  • avatarquozl

    You put up a picture of All Wound Up and don't even talk about it? What the heck?

    All Wound Up is an awesome game that me, my wife, and my 8-yo daughter tried out this last Halloween. Fun!

  • avatargeneralpf

    Most popular games with my son, in order of hottest to least:
    1. Warhammer 40K
    2. Small World
    3. Star Wars Miniatures: Starship Battles (now discontinued)

  • avatarubarose

    The picture was added by the editor. Yes, All Wound Up is another good kid's game. 8 years old is a good age for it. I have had some problems with younger kids being able to manage winding and placing their Zombies.

  • avatarThaadd

    I've been owned in Chess by a 7 year old. Talk about wounded Ego the brat gifted and talented young man in question started in Chess club when he was 4 however.

    We used to keep a trashed copy of Empire Builders as 'distraction' for when the adults were playin Crayons Across (landmass). The ex's boys could color on it while we were busy.

  • avatarMad Dog

    I have no kids. Only a few of my gaming friends have kids and they don't bring them to game nights.

  • avatarKingPut

    Actually, I never played Caylus or any other similar game with my wife or kids. Luckily, there is a very active gaming community in Baltimore so I never felt a need to push games on family members or any non gaming friends. I enjoy playing games with my kids and family but it's a completely different group of games than I play with a bunch of my beer drinking gaming guy frineds.

    Favorite All-Family Games: Uno, Uno Attack, Sleeping Queens, Stone Soup (Ass-Hole), Six Cube (Cosmic Wimp Out), Werewolf, Cluzle, Clue, Pictionary, Flea Circus, California, Zooloretto, Blokus, Pit

    QueenPut's Favorite Games: Chateau Roquefort, Hey That's My Fish, Blokus, Tsuro, Alahambra

    13 year old daughter's Favorite Games: D&D, Talisman, Buffy, Arkham Horror, Alahambra, Werewolf

    11 year old daughter's Favorite Games: Uno, Mille Bornes, Sleeping Queens, Stone Soup

  • avatarvolnon

    I used to play Polar Dare quite a bit with my niece (I have no children, myself). She loved it. I guess the plastic penguins helped...

    As for why kid games are not mentioned too often - well, the average gamer is a male who has trouble even talking to a girl, let alone hving sex with one!

  • avatarmoss_icon

    the picture looks a bit ominous to me.

  • avatarDeath and Taxis

    I have two daughters aged 4 and 19 months. My 4 year old and I currently play Candyland, Snakes & Ladders and Trouble (Ludo, Parcheesi). I'm hoping my girls enjoy boardgames as they get older because I think it's good excuse to get the family around the table and interacting with each other instead of sitting in the lounge watching TV or playing on a computer. But I won't push it if they really don't seem interested.

    Volnon has just reminded me that I have Polar Dare stashed away in a closet someplace. I might try that out on my 4 year old. That is a really fun game for adults to play with kids.

  • avatarJexik

    My 7 year old nephew is at the point where he's starting to read and do math well enough to start playing slightly tougher games. Currently, he really likes Settlers, Heroscape, Dominion, and Summoner Wars, and will regularly ask to play them before the Xbox when he comes over.

  • avatarMrZir

    I can vouch for the 6, 6+ age threshold for gaming development. My eldest is about to turn 7 and a few months ago there seemed to be a switch that went off and her favorite games went from skip-bo and sleeping queens to Castle Panic and The Hobbit. Everything she used to enjoy seems to have been regulated to "little kid" games.

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