Articles Mailbag Mr Skeletor's Mailbag, 10th Feb 2008
 

Mr Skeletor's Mailbag, 10th Feb 2008 Hot

Originally the Mailbag segment was an opportunity to just post about nonsense really, an opportunity for people to post whatever the heck they want.  I more or less retired it a while ago, it seems like a redundant segment now that we have forums and member submissions. So I must admit to being somewhat surprised when Franklincob asked me if I’d been checking the mailbag (the answer, of course, was no) as we had gotten something.

 

This also gives me the opportunity to make a couple of announcements, so here is the first mailbag in next to forever.

Firstly, the observant may have noticed that the staff menu has an extra member – Juniper. While Juniper may prefer pushing cubes to setting off nukes, his attitude and life philosophy is 100% Ameritrash, so we asked him aboard. Just think of him as the Token Euro. Franklincob is going to write out a proper welcoming intro for Jupes next week, so for now you may all practice treating him like a god ‘till his official inauguration.

 

Secondly for those who don’t track the forums, Ubarose makes a guest appearance on The Ultimate podcast. Apart from not claiming anywhere near enough credit for the creation of this website, Shellie covers a lot of ground about this place as well as gaming in general, so I highly recommend checking it out at http://www.league-radio.com . Plus it’s always interesting getting to hear someone’s voice, especially as I always assumed she sounded like Mama Fratelli,

 

Finally onto the letters, and this first one is a long one.

 

 Aitor G Guridi writes

 Dear FA:

I’m the guy who in BGG rated Agricola with a 1 with the comment “Hello gentlemen. All your hype are belong to us”. I present myself with that phrase because being quoted as a “bannable offense” by an Eurogamer is the most remarkable thing I apparently have made on that site, apart from some rules translation and minor stuff.

I only use BGG as a game database. As a casual user who has not enough “golds” to buy even an avatar, I missed all the drama going there. I didn’t know Barnes was banned until last week (yeah, I come very late). In fact, I only knew him as “the angry avatar guy who made funny negative reviews which made me LOL”.So, if I didn’t even know about the “Ameritrash vs Euro Epic War”, why did I rate Agricola so low? Simple. I saw other guys doing the same and thought it would be funny to counter those mindless “10s” the game was receiving. Because being funny is the spirit of the Internets.

Some people think that “The Internet is Serious Business”. It’s not. It is made primarily of Porn, Drama and Lulz. We are too anonymous to take things seriously.

 “It's been scientifically proven that the Internets instantly turns you into an asshole. This is due to the fact that unlike IRL (in real life), there are absolutely no social consequences to how you behave  – Encyclopedia Dramatica

It was that way long ago before some n00bs came here with their seriousness and susceptibility, built webs surrounded with white fences and populated them as straight landlord-worshipping-peasants.

 I feel sick when I read those comments about “that’s the Admin’s place and he can do anything he wants”, “there is no free speech on the internet”, etc… well, there won’t be, as long as you people are so conformist. BGG is only valuable because of his content, and it’s all user-provided content. Users can only speak and create and share while there is free speech. Everyone of us who has submitted something valuable to any community is giving the free speech for granted. There’s an implicit contract. The fences are worthless, the worth of BGG lies in it’s population. And that population is powerful enough to stand if they are abused. You can’t justify a ban “because the Admin can do it. Period.”, because common sense tells us that being able to do something is no reason to do it. Not only I'm talking of BGG here, this applies to every community. That said, I think your ban has been obscure, unjust and political. And the users wouldn’t have to take it so conformistly, even if they hated you. BGG will sadly pay the consequences of your ban.

 Because there are consequences. Barnes’ reviews and posts were full of sarcasm and mockery, but they were also backed with good points and valuable opinions. He was a symbol of chaos, but chaos is good (Hail, Eris!). Without him around, bgg is a little more boring and opressive than before.

 That said, I find some resemblance to the “seriousness” some people thinks of the internet with the “seriousness” some people thinks of games.

 I’m primarily an Abstract gamer who likes also Euros. My few Ameritrash games are little random Steve Jackson games which I like but seldom play. But I agree with you totally with “games are for having FUN”. That’s the first point. Games are NOT “Serious Business”.

 When I play, I like to engage my mind into a logic excercise with, lets, say, ZERTZ, but I also like mocking my opponent while destroying his University spending 5 golds with my Condottiere in Citadels.

 So a game simulating fighting robots, ninjas, zombies, dinosaurs and lasers and randomness and lots of minis can be great because all those things are fun. I usually don’t like Ameritrash as much as my Abstracts, but those are personal tastes. I perfectly understand that those CAN BE THE FAVORITE OF SOME PEOPLE and that’s respectable and in no way inferior to my way of playing. And even more, that way of gaming is valuable, because we can learn things from it.

 I always thought Euros had boring themes, or at least not cool enough. Build, manage, explore…you say there aren’t any orcs? As a former roleplayer, it was hard for me to play Catan for the first time, I thought it was silly, although I eventually liked it because that game is fucking good. But in my inside, I thought that Catan with orcs would be even better.

 Little by little, more games are implementing cool themes (fantasy, sci-fi) with Euro-Ameri mixed mechanics which elude classification. We wanted orcs, they gave us the orcs. The Euros are not the ultimate game stage, and they are evolving merging with Ameritrash attributes. We now have cooperative Ameritrash (Arkham Horror…) and even diceless dungeon crawls (Dorn, Dungeon Twister…). This evolution wouldn’t have been possible wihouth the “high-themed-dicefests” many people scorn.

 For now, I’ll bookmark your Fortress and I hope your web succeeds and spreads good sarcasm, chaos, opinions and LOLs across the Internets. Agricola will soon be translated to spanish, and I’m thinking of buying it, and probably I’ll enjoy it, but definitively I’m mantaining my Agricola comment, for my own LOL.

 

 

No point in me adding anything further, I think that letter speaks pretty much for itself.

Lets look at our next letter.

 

 Dear Fuckfeatures,

Who the fuck do you think you are? You think you can hide from me you piece of shit? Where the fuck is my money? You'll be typing with your fucking nose once I get through with you, motherfucker. Start making peace with your God. 

- Don Hordak 

 

 Umm, gotta go...

 

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Comments (13)
  • thdizzy

    A letter that makes sense. Games are fun. If there is anything true about games, this is it.

  • Burnhamalive

    Wow, I didn't know Hordak's first name was Don? Next you're gonna tell me that Mantenna is actually one of the Kennedys.

  • avatarubarose
    Quote:
    Plus its always interesting getting to hear someones voice, especially as I always assumed she sounded like Mama Fratelli.

    I love Anne Ramsey! I want to be just like her when I grow up!

    Actually, you still don't know what I sound like. After listening to the podcast, a friend asked me if Steve had run an equalizer on my voice. I explained that I had a wicked cold at the time. I normally sound a lot more like Simpka (Carol "You could melt all dis stuff" Kane).

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    There's so much subtle profundity in that letter, it's absurd. Truly, Guridi writes with all the wisdom the internet could possibly muster. I want to know what this "Dorn" game he's talking about is, it sounds awesome.

    Re: Mantenna- I went to prep school with Mantenna before he fell in with Donald Hordak and that bad crowd. Shocking revelation- his first name is James. That's right, Jim Mantenna. Oh, and Man-at-Arms/Duncan? Gay.

  • avatarSpace Ghost

    Even as a kid, I was kind of creepd out when I found out Man-at-Arms name was Duncan...wtf kind of name is Duncan for a master of weaponary?

  • Mr Skeletor

    don
    1. (initial capital letter) Mr.; Sir: a Spanish title prefixed to a man's given name.
    2. (in Spanish-speaking countries) a lord or gentleman.
    3. (initial capital letter) an Italian title of address, esp. for a priest.
    4. a person of great importance.
    5. (in the English universities) a head, fellow, or tutor of a college.
    6. (in the Mafia) a head of a family or syndicate.

    You pack of Idjuts

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Frank, come on man, dicitionary definition pedantry? Have we fallen so low? We don't even have ads yet!

    Ghost- When I was a kid, I thought for sure that he had something to do with the Yo-Yo manufacturing firm.

  • avatarSpace Ghost

    Michael -- Reasonable inference; I believe he used Bolos in one episode, so that may have reinforced that belief

  • Lagduf

    Most games would be better with Orcs.

    In fact, i'm sure of it.

  • avatarmoofrank

    A: Bad Uba, dissing MahJongg. American rules Mahjongg is a dubious game, but the Japanese game is a real game.

    B: The funniest comment is "Return of the Heroes: It is a simple game. I play it with little girls." Take that Rob Martin.

    C: Joomla is better than Expression Engine. BGN occasionally wigs and eats the server alive, and support is a bit dubious. Rick T. picked it because he was familiar with it from another job.

    d: Where in Kentucky? I grep up in the middle of nowhere...Lancaster, KY.

  • avatarubarose  - re:
    moofrank wrote:
    A: Bad Uba, dissing MahJongg. American rules Mahjongg is a dubious game, but the Japanese game is a real game.

    B: The funniest comment is "Return of the Heroes: It is a simple game. I play it with little girls." Take that Rob Martin.

    C: Joomla is better than Expression Engine. BGN occasionally wigs and eats the server alive, and support is a bit dubious. Rick T. picked it because he was familiar with it from another job.

    d: Where in Kentucky? I grew up in the middle of nowhere...Lancaster, KY.

    A. I didn't mean to dis MahJongg. I really have no clue what I am doing when I play. All but one or two of the woman I play with are over 70 years old, and they consistantly hand me my butt on a plate. We play American rules for money. Those ladies clean me out everytime, but it is worth every penney for the dirt that is dished.

    I also want to add, that I think it is ridiculous how gamers talk about needing easy games to introduce board games to their parents or other older people. It's really arrogant. I find that the games that the older generations play, like Mahjong, Bridge and Chess, are far harder to learn and master than most modern board games.

    D. I was born in Lexingtion. We moved when I was really little, so I have no memory of KY. My father went to Berea for high school.

  • avatarmoofrank

    I'm working on an article trashing the concept of Gateway games.

    ...But I kind of agree with the concept of using games with simple rules to teach. Most classic games actually have very simple basic rules (except for Chess). You can actually play Bridge and Mahjongg within a few minutes, but it takes hours to pick up all the special hands (Mahjongg) and bidding conventions (Bridge).

    In our family, you get about 2 minutes to start playing, or you've lost them. So I tend to use abstracts instead of Euros or AT games. (Although Mom has spread Nodwick throughout the family. Tragically, I'm not all that enamored of the game.)

    There are some AT games that I've taught. Mostly the Talisman, Minion Hunter, questy kinds of games. And the occasional niche family game that isn't a proper AT or Euro ( Survive, Astron, The Really Nasty Horse Racing Game.)

  • avatarubarose  - re:
    moofrank wrote:
    I'm working on an article trashing the concept of Gateway games.

    I look forward to reading that. My thinking is that if the box says 10+ on the side, any reasonably intelligent adult can learn to play it.

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