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five Five years of total bullshit.

On the Table

I haven’t played jack shit this week in terms of physical games. Not getting paid to write reviews has made me lazy. I don’t even have the new Small World thing yet and that dastardly Ken Bradford is in cahoots with the Days of Wonder press guy so I couldn’t get one.  Still trying to decide if I want to give Descent 2nd edition a chance.

But anyway, I forgot that it was Cracked LCD’s fifth anniversary. Yep, that’s right, half a decade of writing a weekly column with very few off weeks. That’s somewhere around 250 800-1500 word articles, by the numbers. And it’s still going strong, at its NEW home at Nohighscores.com.

And since Gameshark is no more, I’m reclaiming ownership of the articles. I have most of them archived and I’m going to be reprinting them periodically beginning today with a little commentary here and there. I’m taking us all the way back to the very first Cracked LCD so NOOBS like QPCloudy can see why I have more Gamer Cred than they do.

Avery was blabbing about Mage Wars in the forums, I should have a review copy of that on the way. He better not have lead me into a bad review.

 

On the Consoles

I reviewed Spec Ops: The Line over at NHS. How do you make a military shooter that questions the morality and psychological effect of war? Is it even possible? This game suggests that it isn’t.

I gave up on Lego Batman 2. I loved it, but after a while you start to realize how OCD the game is. I don’t have the patience to grind out studs for hours on end to buy Captain Boomerang. Or to find all of the hidden mini kits to get the Robin submarine or whatever. I think you’ve really got to play it co-op with a kid to get the most out of it, and River’s too little for it yet.

Atlus has a big sale going on in the PSN Store so I picked up Persona 3 for the PSP/Vita. I really have no idea why it suddenly appealed to me. It’s OK, I guess. Pretty standard JRPG stuff but with this obtuse social sim element bolted on to it. I also got Yggdra Union, a port of an old GBA SRPG. It’s pretty interesting, really kind of a board game where you activate units with cards.

 

On IOS

Summoner Wars, the end. Has everyone here had a chance to beat me yet?

 

On Comixology

Won’t somebody stage an intervention?

Another flood of books this week…some great, some terrible.

For some reason, I was drawn to IDW’s Rocketeer Adventures series. Probably because of the incredible roster of talent involved- Dave Gibbons, Darwyn Cooke, Mark Waid, Joe Lansdale, Bruce Timm, and so forth. They’re shorts, so they’re naturally wildly inconsistent. But what’s worse is that reading Rocketeer over four books you start to realize how utterly shallow and uninteresting the character and setting are. It’s strictly a visual thing about a dude in a bronze rocket suit and a Bettie Page look-a-like. There’s not really any great stories to be told, and there’s little to recommend any of the stories beyond some great artwork. I feel like I wasted eight bucks.

I finished off “The Return of Barry Allen”- what an awesome story. It veers into silliness, but that tends to be a DC thing. I really liked how subtly dark it was, and I loved seeing all of the speedsters team up to take down the phony Barry Allen. It made me want to read more Flash, which is something I never thought would happen.

I also finished the Avengers Kree-Skrull War series, at last. It took forever to get through it. There were some great bits- like the “Fantastic Voyage” into the Vision’s body and Rick Jones’ ridiculously dated comments- but by and large it felt stilted and far past its prime. Neal Adams’ pencils are worth the effort alone, but the storyline and writing felt like it was right at that dividing line between the 1960s and 1970s style. Some of it was confusing too, mainly because the continuity at that time wasn’t very accessible. I’m glad I read it and it is definitely an important book, but I can’t say that I enjoyed it that much.

It’s funny though, because I also started on Marvel’s Annihilation storyline and you can see many direct allusions to the Kree-Skrull War, which was pretty cool. So far, I’m digging it- I like Marvel’s sci-fi/cosmic stuff and this is a fun, epic story. I like Dan Abnett’s Guardians of the Galaxy series more, I think. And man, are the Nova Corps ever a rip-off of the Green Lantern Corps. Who are, in turn, a rip-off of the Lensman Corps.

I tried to read Bone again. I can’t believe people love that stuff so much.

On deck this week I’ve got Nightwing Year One, more Immortal Iron Fist, and House of M on tap. Probably Scott Snyder’s Detective Comics run as well.

On the Screen

What an awful week for watching movies. First up, I took a look at Immortals, Tarsem Singh’s latest pretentious pile of pretty horseshit. I honestly can’t believe that anyone would take the time to sit through such a tedious, boring sword-and-sandal movie that looks like an avant garde high school play. Plenty of wannabe Julie Taymor costumes, lots of fancy lighting, and plenty of postproduction tinkering. This is what the success of 300 hath wrought- trash like this. It’s astonishing that Tarsem still gets work after turning in three of the worst movies in recent memory- this, The Fall, and The Cell.

But even worse was Conan the Barbarian, the god-awful Marcus Nispel remake with Jason Momoa as the Cimmerian. What a horrid, horrid movie. Completely joyless, ugly, and dull. Packed with cruelty and violence that serves no purpose other than to titillate- and it’s not all that titillating if you’ve ever watched screen violence before. It’s as classless and base a film as I’ve ever seen, and although you may say that’s appropriate for a movie about Conan, I say that it should still be a good film and have merit. Instead, it’s just lowest common denominator garbage packed with speed-ramped action sequences. It’s completely empty, devoid of any substance. Even Rose McGowan is ugly in it.

I actually regret laying my eyes on it. And this Momoa character is a joke- Conan would’t have manicured, arched eyebrows.  It sucks, after YEARS of hearing about a new Conan film this is what we get? I’d rather watch fucking Red Sonja again.

On Spotify

Mostly listening to Erasure’s “The Innocents” and of course the “Pop” singles collection. As far as big, commercial 1980s pop (and gay dance music) goes, it doesn’t get any better than “A Little Respect” and “Chains of Love”.  Those hooks are just killer, and the production is tremendous. Other than “The Innocents” though, I’ve never really liked Erasure as an album act- they’re at their best in the singles. I’m not too proud to admit that I got into ABBA through “ABBA-Esque”.

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  • avatarmoofrank  - Descent 2

    Oooh. Want to play Descent 2nd in the worst way. It should crawl out next week, and by that time it should be possible to play on the bright, shiny pub table at Gartenschloss.

  • avatarBearn

    Immortals worse than Conan??? I don't really think that's possible since Immortals is more painful to watch than a straight to dvd segal flick. At least Conan had Stephen Lang and Ron Perlman going for it. It still doesn't hold a candle to the arnold version.

  • avatarrepoman

    Not that I like playing Chester to Mike's Spike (That's a Looney Tunes Reference for you young-ins) but I gotta agree. The new Conan was utter garbage. I could go on for five seconds or more and really let you know what I thought but...then I'd have to watch it again and that ain't gonna happen...NOT EVER.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Gartenschloss? That just doesn't have the same aura as Swamp Castle. Of course, it probably also doesn't have that weird zone of abnormally high humidity.

    No, I said Conan was worse than Immortals. At least Immortals wasn't offensively, stupidly violent and...I dunno, mangy. I couldn't watch all of Immortals, I don't know how anyone could.

  • avatarmoofrank  - The Immortals

    ...which I kind of actually liked.

    I really AM fond of The Fall, which probably reveals a deep character flaw.

    The Immortals is...epicly silly, overdramatic, and spectacularly stupid. Anything good in the plot or visuals was pretty much ripped from 300.
    The high point is the set design, which is the bit Tarsem can actually seem to manage. Unfortunately, it is CGI-centric instead of The Fall's amazing film locations.
    Somehow, the mess worked for me kind of like watching some kind of cheesy Grand Guiginol opera. So I enjoyed watching Immortals a bit, but was mercilessly mocking it while watching, and just wondering what deranged version of Greek mythology was involved.

    And why exactly were the Titans so freaking tiny? Hellooooo.....Titans....

  • avatarLegomancer

    Congrats on five years!

    And I agree with you on Jeff Smith's 'Bone'. It starts off funny and charming and then just nosedives into Ponderous Fantasy Epic.

  • avatardragonstout

    Erasure hell yeah! High school we used to drive around town, windows rolled down blasting Erasure and singing along, getting "fag!" yelled at us. THE best 80s pop singles, bar none, though not a lot of them.

    A reprint column, seriously? Obviously can't complain, though, baby + not getting paid for it and all. I hope there will be a Descent 2E review, but that's expensive when you're not getting a review copy. Still waiting on that Barnes Best of the '00s!

    Count me as a Bone fan. Do you not even like the art or the Great Cow Race issues? By the end it gets a little too LotR-lite, for sure. I was 10 years old when I first started reading Bone; I actually thought I'd outgrown reading comics altogether (lol at 10 years old right?) because I didn't like anything that Marvel or DC were putting out, which was especially a bummer because I LOVED Spider-Man more than just about anything else in the world thanks to the Ditko Spideys. I was at Comic-Con with my dad, and Jeff Smith came by our booth and gave me the first hardcover Bone volume because he was a fan of my dad's; Jeff just had a little booth around the corner, Comic Con was NOTHING like what it is now. I read the whole thing immediately, front-to-back, sitting on the cement floor in the booth, and fell in love. And with that, I loved comics again, despite the best attempts by "Maximum Carnage" and "Knightfall".

  • avatarSuperflyTNT

    Your lips to God's ears, Mike. That fucking pariah of a wannabe Conan film is garbage. Have you even SEEN some Minnesota lumberjacks? They don't look like pilates instructors. They look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. And really, that's what a Cimmerian is...a big fucking lumberjack-looking bastard. Even the women, I'd bet.

    Immortals WAS better than Conan, which is only a tribute to the criminal act upon Robert Howard that whatever cunt made that Conan movie perpetrated. In fact, I would rather watch Immortals while having my eyes scratched out by a rabid cat than watch that Conan shit again.

    What is it with Hollywood fucking with old movies and ruining them, or worse, spending 250 million dollars (that's a lot of bread and rice) to make what could've been the greatest sci-fi movie of all time, but instead...a meh John Carter.

    DEATH TO THEM ALL.

    Oh, and Wally West was always my favorite Flash. They had a TV show for 3 weeks or so, I even liked that, although it was contrived as hell.

  • avatarStormcow

    As a children's book, Bone is pretty great. My 6 year old daughter loves it. You'd be surprised how hard it is to find good books with strong female role models.

  • avatarbillyz

    Immortals has it's place next to Dungeon & Dragons as the worst fucking film of all time. Greek Mythology? Somebody fucking lied to Tarsem Singh- because I'm sure Classical Lit. majors in the audience where having seizures by film's end. Between this and whatever the fuck that slack jawed, Twilight girl's, movie about Snow White, and shit ass Conan, I've given up on Hollywood.

    What happened? Have quality big productions gone the way of the dodo? Seriously. How the fuck does Immortals make it to the screen? It pisses me right the fuck off just thinking about it! Thank fuck I went to see it on cheapy Tuesday! Is it normal that Hollywood is so overrun with risk averse investors, who know sweet fuck all about what constitutes good cinema, but want a good turnaround on their investment, like, NOW, that creativity itself is being stifled? I mean, really? We've run dry of ideas? There isn't some poor schlubb out there pitching anything better than unbelievable Greek Gods in shiny costumes, and a 7th grade worthy (maybe) script? Fuck you in the the face Hollywood!

    How have we come to this? It's like going to some chintzy restaurant and paying 65$ for a poorly executed grilled cheese, and walking out satisfied- with the honest intention of going back. Is this what we have become as movie goers?

    Fuck me...

  • avatarmetalface13

    Bone is a great all-ages read, good for adults and kids. You've got to love the art, part of its charm is the black and white for me. I'm not sold on the colorized versions.

    I've been really tempted to read the Annihilation arc after Marvel announced the Guardians of the Galaxy movie. But what's the essential reading? I hate how those big events sprawl out into 500 different books. And Annihilation was pretty small compared to something like Civil War.

    No Barnes, I don't think we've completed our first game yet. But don't worry, I'm pretty sure I'll go down as F:AT's worst ranked player. Just like on Ascension.

  • avatarMattLoter

    Mamoa is a FAR better Conan than Arnold and the movie is way way more "Conan" than anything else before it. Arnold Conan the Barbarian is a thousand times better as a movie in general though. But I really enjoyed the new Conan, especially after having just finished rereading the complete Howard story collection, felt totally spot on to Howard's vision. Maybe dudes that hate on it so hard ain't read original Conan stories in a while?

  • avatarSuperflyTNT

    You're cracked. Dude was TERRIBLE as Conan. But can grant that the PLOT was more Howard, but even the shittastic Conan the Destroyer was better than this new Mamoa garbage from a watchablity perspective.

    And I had just gotten through vol 1-10 Conan graphic novels when I saw it...so I was fresh and ready for something really good. Fail.

  • avatarMattDP

    I didn't think Conan was that bad, although Moma himself was awful. I thought the graphic violence actually worked: it's supposed to be a brutal story about a brutal warrior and the level of gore seemed entirely appropriate and not merely there just to titillate. Sucker Punch was far worse, and far more guilty of feebly trying to pass off graphic content as "ironic". But whatever, it was nowhere near good enough to be worth arguing over, either.

  • avatarJMcL63
    Quote:
    I’m not too proud to admit that I got into ABBA through “ABBA-Esque”.


    Don't be "not too proud" Michael, be Loud and PROUD! All roads lead to ABBA! BTW, their 'Money, Money, Money' is the first song I ever sang at a karaoke. I love it to bits.

  • avatarSamL  - NHS column
    Barnes wrote:
    Or maybe I can make you one of us…a dice-tossing chithead prowling Ebay for moldy, long-forgotten bookcase games and constantly wondering when the next Fantasy Flight big box game is coming out.

    This made me smile. I started reading reviews and discussions here (and the Cracked LCD columns) early this year after getting an AT itch, and have in fact recently been prowling Ebay for some older titles and hankering to try more big box games than just TI3. If it makes this any less creepy or if it's otherwise any consolation it's not just Barnes' influence on my tastes that's gotten me here though.

    EDIT: And I love throwing dice too.

  • avatarwaddball

    Congrats, Michael. Some great stuff over the years. I still remember your stuff from Boulder Games' Game Notes (check the wayback machine). I had a few reviews "published" by Jim back before BGG was all things to all people (for store credit; did he pay you in cash?).

    Glad you're still going strong.

  • avatarSagrilarus  - re:
    billyz wrote:

    Is it normal that Hollywood is so overrun with risk averse investors, who know sweet fuck all about what constitutes good cinema, but want a good turnaround on their investment, like, NOW, that creativity itself is being stifled? . . . How have we come to this?

    Jesus Billy, don't get Pete started on his Bernays diatribe again.

    S.

  • avatarldsdbomber

    Good for you for coming clean about ABBA but what the fuck? Its always a cool reminder just how different and far apart our cultures are, its like every time I watch US TV shows or movies I just think, despite the similarities, all the cultural reference points you lot have are totally different to what we have (I suppose we take on more of yours because your stuff gets pushed out more). For most of us in England, I suppose Europe even (and Australia for that matter!) ABBA are, without sounding too lame, the soundtrack of our lives, all the way back to the 70s, you could not go to a disco, a wedding, a party, whatever, without ABBA being involved. I actually thought they were super popular over there but maybe you're only a young whipper snapper

    Erasure are great, I dont agree they didnt do good albums, the Circus was a great album (and track), and I think Innocents was packed with singles candidates, even Wild! They did some great, great pop songs. I think The Circus might have been the first record I actually bought with my own money

  • avatarJMcL63

    Kudos to ldsdbomber for telling it like it is about ABBA! I can still remember how they blew me away with Waterloo on the Eurovision Song Contest in 1974. ABBA also gave brunettes the edge over blondes in those sad lists of preferences we males maintain.

  • avatarwice

    I don't really feel the need to defend the new Conan movie, I thought it was just OK, but, then again, I think the original Conan stories were "just OK" too. But I really don't understand the hatred for it, and for Momoa, and the praise of the Arnold movies. Maybe it's because I didn't see them as a kid, but seeing them as an adult, they were painfully similar to a mediocre Xena episode, with the cheap effects, silly story, and goofy humor.

  • avatarBlack Barney

    Why is Spec Ops the Line in the title of this article when you don't really say anything about it but direct us to another article?

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    And with that, I loved comics again, despite the best attempts by "Maximum Carnage" and "Knightfall".

    Bone makes sense in this context, and I remember at the time that part of the appeal of Bone was that it was very different than the kinds of extreme, in-your-face stories that were going on in superhero monthlies at the time. At the time, I retreated more into Vertigo and horror comics.

    Mamoa is a FAR better Conan than Arnold

    Ladies and gentlemen, the only time you'll ever see these words together in this arragement.

    Pete's pilates instructor comment is dead on. That dude looks straight out of an LA pilates studio, not Hyborea.

    I've been really tempted to read the Annihilation arc after Marvel announced the Guardians of the Galaxy movie. But what's the essential reading? I hate how those big events sprawl out into 500 different books.

    Yeah, I hate that too. I didn't realize how big it was when I started on it or I may have balked. But it's only like 20 books total, so it's not too bad. Start with the prologue book, it's like 47 pages and it has a reading order on the last page. I think it goes Prologue, Annihilation: Silver Surfer #1, Annihilation: Nova #1, Annihilation: Super-Skrull #1, Annihilation: Ronan #1. The six Annihilation books are the _end_ of it, it looks like.

    So far I really like it- I actually _love_ that it's all D-list characters and not the usual Bendis/Brubaker/regular Marvel writers. There's a lot of freedom in interpreting them. Super-Skrull is probably the most surprising, his book has been quite good so far. The Nova books are really good, but those have Abnett/Lanning on them so the quality is a tick higher.

    The Guardians of the Galaxy run is really fun. A movie could be neat, but the question becomes...how do you do Rocket Raccoon?

    As for ABBA...yeah, in the US they were big but not like elsewhere in the world. And now, they're regarded more or less as "cheesy" and "camp". Which is unfortunate, because they're one of the best pop acts of all time. Their songwriting is DEVASTATINGLY great, their MF/MF dynamic is awesome, the white jumpsuits were bad ass, and there likely is not a better record EVER MADE than ABBA Gold. Every song a masterpiece.

    But even though I'd hear ABBA on the radio at the dentist's office or whatever on soft rock stations, I never really _listened_ until ABBA-Esque. That got me to go back and listen to their albums and see how profoundly influenced Erasure was by their proto-synthpop and songwriting.

    When somebody smirks about ABBA and says something about them being "cheesy" or "terrible", you know they either just don't realize how amazing that band was or that they just don't know jack shit about good music.

    One of the most incredible ABBA stories for me was a couple of years ago, a "consortium" of investors offered them over A BILLION DOLLARS to get back together. They declined.

  • avatarJMcL63  - re:
    Michael Barnes wrote:
    As for ABBA...yeah, in the US they were big but not like elsewhere in the world. And now, they're regarded more or less as "cheesy" and "camp". Which is unfortunate, because they're one of the best pop acts of all time. Their songwriting is DEVASTATINGLY great, their MF/MF dynamic is awesome, the white jumpsuits were bad ass, and there likely is not a better record EVER MADE than ABBA Gold. Every song a masterpiece.

    But even though I'd hear ABBA on the radio at the dentist's office or whatever on soft rock stations, I never really _listened_ until ABBA-Esque. That got me to go back and listen to their albums and see how profoundly influenced Erasure was by their proto-synthpop and songwriting.

    When somebody smirks about ABBA and says something about them being "cheesy" or "terrible", you know they either just don't realize how amazing that band was or that they just don't know jack shit about good music.

    One of the most incredible ABBA stories for me was a couple of years ago, a "consortium" of investors offered them over A BILLION DOLLARS to get back together. They declined.


    Zillions of Dude Points Michael! ;)

  • avatarldsdbomber

    yeah its kind of sad how Agneta went into a bit of a recluse, I think shes come out a bit more now but she still lives alone on one of the little islands in Stockholm and keeps out of the public eye. AnnaFrid shelled out a load of money for some weird buddhist temple thingy in the forest just by our summer cabin and I think theres some kind of legal wrangle going on with it. Bjorn & Benny of course are still super popular over here, though not just in Sweden. A track I only discovered via the film Mamma Mia was "slipping through my fingers" which is just heartachingly genius in how it tells the story of I guess every parent who realises time is, well, you get it. Well worth tracking down. Their music and songs are genius and the way the 2 girls voices work together is something I dont think has ever been replicated. It must have been awesome to see them live in their prime.

  • avatarJosh Look

    Snyder's Detective, YES!

    I just read Batman #11, which concludes the Court of Owls saga. Great, great stuff. It's not often that a new villain can really hit such strides right out of the gate. It leaves some questions still lingering, and I'm okay with that. Can't wait to see what Snyder has up his sleeve next with his Joker story "Death of the Family." I read an interview with him, sounds like it's going to be absolutely nuts.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    I still remember your stuff from Boulder Games' Game Notes (check the wayback machine). I had a few reviews "published" by Jim back before BGG was all things to all people (for store credit; did he pay you in cash?).

    Oh dear god. Yeah, Boulder Games was my first gig, actually, back in 2002-2003. Probably the best thing I did there was reviewing Age of Mythology and Game of Thrones back to back- which is significant, since that was like the ground zero of the whole hybridization movement. I really didn't know what I had to say back then, definitely feeling out how to write about games.

    On Snyder's Batman- I'm only on the 8th or so book of Court of Owls...I don't want to catch up and hit the $3.99 books before they drop in price! I really, really like it- the Court is a really cool concept and the Talon is awesome. I've just read the first book of "Black Mirror", and it was pretty awesome- looking forward to that backup story with Gordon too.

    I hear Snyder is doing Joker next- that should be great. I think he's a very, very strong Batman writer. I read a couple of American Vampire issues and I really liked that as well, eventually I'll probably read that whole series.

  • avatarmjl1783

    I just got done watching the new Conan.

    Exactly what is the problem here? Momoa was just fine as Conan. Conan isn't supposed to be a 300-pound pile of human bulk; he's supposed to be a massive dude, yet still with graceful, catlike agility. I don't know that I'd say Momoa is massive, but he's about as big as a guy who doesn't move like a fat ape is going to get. He's not supposed to be some foaming-at-the-mouth savage either. He's a badass warrior, that does what he needs to do to survive, and who likes to debauch when the day's slaying is done. That's pretty much what Momoa pulled off here. Of course he's a bit too pretty, and not quite menacing enough; it's not the 1930s anymore. The human race just doesn't produce big, square-jawed motherfuckers with chiseled faces, and tree trunk necks at the rate it used to. Even to the extent that it still does, you're not going to find too many of those guys working in Hollywood. Pilates instructor my ass. Kevin Sorbo looked like a Pilates instructor.

    It's a bit too heavy on the action scenes, and there are a handful of instances where the gore level gets unnecessarily high. There is one massive plot hole at the center of the plot that makes the entire story line come off as contrived. It's predictable and formulaic, and Rose McGowan is terrible. What the fuck was anybody expecting? It's a Conan movie; the character himself was one big fat cliche from the get-go. He's little more than a meaner, high fantasy version of Tarzan when you get right down to it. He fights evil sorcerers, slays monsters, and beds hot wenches. The art direction is very good, and all the swordplay and horseback chases are directed with enough restraint that the whole thing doesn't end up looking like a video game. I don't know what else anyone could reasonably expect a Conan picture to show you. That's all the stories were in the first place.

    The character doesn't fare any worse in this movie than the plodding, meandering Milius picture. That one was about 30 minutes' worth of script padded out into 2 hours of borderline tedium. I can appreciate it for what it is, but it is the most unnecessarily sedate action/adventure picture I've ever seen. It's got a lot of style, but even judging it by the standards of the day, there's very little excitement there.

    You want to watch a Conan paperback on film? See the new one. You want to essentially stare at the fucking book cover for 2 hours? Stick with the Arnold version.

  • avatarSuperflyTNT
    Quote:
    Howard never gave a strict height or weight for Conan in a story, only describing him in loose terms like "giant" and "massive".
    Quote:
    In a letter to P. Schuyler Miller and John D. Clark in 1936 only three months before Howard's death, Conan is described as standing 6 feet (1.8 m) and weighing 180 pounds (82 kg) when he takes part in an attack on Venarium at only 15 years old, though being far from fully grown

    http://www.thesnipenews.com/thegutter/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/FrankFrazetta-Conan-the-Adventurer-1966.jpg

    Dude, Conan is a superhero. Maybe you didn't get that. Conan is a huge, incredibly strong man who is also graceful, with catlike reflexes. He was written as the biggest, fastest dude in the world. Again, it's fiction. He doesn't follow the normal rules.

    But, that said, there's plenty of really big guys who are fast and agile as fuck: Andrei Arlovski (242 lbs), Brock Lesnar (265 lbs), Cain Velasquez (249 lbs). Note: These people are real, not fictional sword-and-sandal superheroes.

    Jason Momoa doesn't fit the bill, sorry. Not even close. Not based on the "cover art", not based on the fiction.

  • avatarmjl1783

    Oh yeah, because Brock Lesnar as Conan would've been a real treat.

  • avatarMattLoter

    You know pulling stuff out from decades after Howard's death, Frazetta art, fucking COMIC BOOKS, as reasons why this isn't like the "real" Conan is pretty fucking weak. Maybe reference actual Howard stuff if you want to try and make points about what's "real"?

    Besides, this dude:
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_c3ZUAeRf9HI/TEEaLPRIQ1I/AAAAAAAAAHs/6Wi5R_2KZ_Y/s1600/The+Barbarian+Jason+Momoa+as+Conan.jpg

    Looks a whole lot more like that Frazetta painting than Arnold anyway so I dunno what the fuck you're even talking about.

  • avatarJeff White

    I agree. Mamoa is a better Conan, but I found the move far weaker than the Milius one as a whole. I'm cool never seeing the new Conan movie again. The '82 one? I watch all the time. I just feel the soundtrack, characters, dialogue, sets, etc better portrays Conan's world.

    The new one was too 'hyper-reality' for me.

  • avatarSuperflyTNT

    ""... a tall man, mightily shouldered and deep of chest, with a massive corded neck and heavily muscled limbs. He was clad in silk and velvet, with the royal lions of Aquilonia worked in gold upon his rich jupon, and the crown of Aquilonia shone on his square-cut black mane; but the great sword at his side seemed more natural to him than the regal accoutrements. His brow was low and broad, his eyes a volcanic blue that smoldered as if with some inner fire. His dark, scarred, almost sinister face was that of a fighting-man, and his velvet garments could not conceal the hard, dangerous lines of his limbs."
    The Hour of the Dragon, reprinted The Bloody Crown of Conan, pp. 89-90

    Tall? Check. He's got this one nailed.
    Mighty Shouldered? Nope. Pretty average shoulders for a guy who works out. Not "Mighty"
    Deep Chest? Not really. I mean, he's done pushups, but "Deep Chest" is more Tim Rice
    Massive, corded neck? Oh fuck no.
    SQUARE CUT MANE??? Nope, Jason's more into Glam Bands. I mean, he crimped his hair for fuck's sake.
    Dark, scarred, face of a fighting man? No. Face of a model with a couple of scars popped on in makeup. But not the face of a barbarian warrior.

    So, Matt, I know you fancy yourself this huge Conan aficionado, but seriously, while I agree that Arnold is not the perfect Conan, he's a long way closer to the mark that this fucking pilates instructor/model/ EX-BAYWATCH lifeguard guy is.

  • avatarbfkiller

    I'm not going to defend the Conan movie (which stunk) but Momoa, who stands 6'4", weighed 240lbs at the time of filming. Not massive, but I think that's big enough for the role.

  • avatardragonstout  - re:
    Michael Barnes wrote:
    As for ABBA...yeah, in the US they were big but not like elsewhere in the world. And now, they're regarded more or less as "cheesy" and "camp". Which is unfortunate, because they're one of the best pop acts of all time. Their songwriting is DEVASTATINGLY great, their MF/MF dynamic is awesome, the white jumpsuits were bad ass, and there likely is not a better record EVER MADE than ABBA Gold. Every song a masterpiece.

    *clap clap clap*

    It boggles my mind that I ever have to defend them, because there's not even anything to defend against; any criticism of Abba would have to be a criticism of pop in general. Powerful music.

    I was rude before, congratulations on five years! It actually kind of weirded me out, memories of the old blog and all that, and being excited about that very first Cracked LCD column being the start of a platform for sustained writing about games.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Tell me about it. I don't know how many times I've been sneered or smirked at for liking- and liking unironically- ABBA. Well said- if you criticize ABBA, you're criticizing the entire concept of pop music. I've been listening to the records since last week now,and I'm just blown away all over again at the sheer craft and songwriting talent on display. Impeccable production, killer hooks, a little glam, a little Kurt Weil, a little synthpop, a little disco...so many great songs.

    I guess it's the whole seventies thing and the camp appeal that got them unjustly shunted into the "cheesy" bin here in the US. It's really a shame.

    As for Conan, I think Matt Loter must have taken a blow to the head during Harley Flanagan's rampage last week, along with Jeff and MJ. I totally agree with Pete (!!!), Momoa looks like an LA pilates instructor with carefully manicured eyebrows. Doesn't matter if he's big, he looks small.

  • avatarmjl1783
    Quote:
    The '82 one? I watch all the time. I just feel the soundtrack...

    Yeah, see? I knew that bullshit was right around the corner. Ask any fan of the original movie why it's so great, and the first thing that's going to get brought up is Poledorous' score. OMG BEST SCORE EVAR!!!

    And it is very good, but that's the problem. The fucking score should not be taking center stage in a goddamn Conan picture. Yes, I get it; the movie's all wicked heavy and operatic. It takes treats its subject matter seriously instead of turning it into cheese-y camp, blah blah blah. It's a very well-made film.

    But as a rousing action/adventure flick, it's a failure. James Earl Jones is clearly no match for Arnold, and as much as Thulsa Doom might have been a sufficiently cruel, sinister, imposing villain opposite another actor, he's little more than an annoyance in the film. Ditto for his goons. Hell, even the giant serpent looks pretty wussy against Arnold.

    There's never any sense that Conan is in real danger throughout the movie. That's sort of par for the course with invincible superheroes, but you usually counteract that by giving the audience a charismatic hero we all want to root for. Arnold, the actor, has that. As Conan, he has a little of it, but it's buried under layers and layers of dreariness because the film is so fuckin' dark, man.

  • avatarJeff White  - re:
    mjl1783 wrote:
    It's a very well-made film.

    But as a rousing action/adventure flick, it's a failure.

    So, lemme get this straight. Being a well-made film isn't enough because you want a rousing action/adventure flick? I'll take the well-made film. Fortunately, I feel the 82 film also has enough adventure to keep me entertained. Score for me!

    I wonder which film Howard would prefer. I'm not making a suggestion, just wondering.

  • avatarSuperflyTNT

    6'4, 240 isn't a "filled out" 6'4. That's pretty average. I mean, I was 185 in high school, and I'm only 5'6". My buddy Chris is a fairly lanky 6'6" and he's around 240 his own big self.

    All this said, I think what the sticking point in all of this is that Arnold made Conan look oafish. That was a huge mistake. If there was a 260 pound 6'2" guy who could act, that would be the winner. The biggest problem is that we have Momoa who's too little to look the part (LION? No.) but can act well enough, and an Arnold who is perfect for the part but can't act to save his life.

    I'd support the film, honestly, just if it would mean we get another Conan movie, ideally with a hollywood unknown bodybuilder making his big break, just like Arnold. Just no dipshits that can't act.

  • avatarMattLoter

    That Harley thing was nuts. My internets blew up with it and I had to try and explain to an incredulous Billy Z what was going on over breakfast the next morning. So uhh this dude who used to do this band but robbed everyone stabbed Mike the Gook, uhh is that racist, and so well then this other dude broke his leg...

    Conan is just as much about personality and how he carries himself than how he looks. I still think Mamoa is the best, most true to Howard looking Conan even if he's not perfect. But the even bigger thing for me was seeing him in action, he looked like a dude who just relished the rush of fighting and felt totally natural murdering the fuck out of guys, all smiling madly while getting stabbed at. Dude was full of mirth!

  • avatarmjl1783
    Quote:
    So, lemme get this straight. Being a well-made film isn't enough because you want a rousing action/adventure flick? I'll take the well-made film. Fortunately, I feel the 82 film also has enough adventure to keep me entertained. Score for me!

    I admire the artistry that's in the film. It looks nice, sounds nice, is epic in scope, and definitely has the right approach to doing S&S on the silver screen. But yes, when I see a Conan movie, I quite rightfully expect to see entertaining pulp adventure. Milius' version just doesn't quite deliver on that.

    Part of the reason for that is because they made it an origin story. Origin stories just suck on film. You spend half of the duration of the movie on setup, so by the time the narrative starts to gain momentum, it's almost over. This is particularly a problem with Conan because, really, who gives a shit how he came to be badass? Suffice to say that he is, maybe throw in some voice over narration to clear up the more important points, and let's get the fucking show on the road.

    Still, a big part of the problem is Arnold himself, and it's not because he can't act (which remains to be seen, actually, because none of his roles have ever required him to). There just isn't a worthy adversary for Arnold Schwarzenegger. That's why he worked so much better as the bad guy in the Terminator series. Predator got around that by finding a bunch of big, though looking bastards to co-star with him, then introduced a 7 foot-tall alien that ate them all for lunch. Aside from those two, his good films require him to either go into self-parody (Commando, True Lies, all the comedies), or turn in a likable, semi-believable Everyman character (Total Recall, The 6th Day).

    Howard had the luxury of making Conan as big and tough and badass as he wanted, because he could always invent formidable opponents for him that were just as deadly. Movies don't work that way, which is why they had to go to all the trouble of whipping up a love interest for him in CtB and put her in distress, because the final showdown with Doom couldn't have been anything but totally anti-climactic otherwise.

    Quote:
    I wonder which film Howard would prefer. I'm not making a suggestion, just wondering.

    Oh fuck, the Milius version. No question. Who wouldn't?

    The old movie is ambitious, has high-profile talent attached to it, and makes his lore out to look like way more than what it is. That would have to be flattering.

    The other one is a competent, pretty action picture with a totally cookie cutter script, and not much to recommend it over similar product except the appeal of the character. That would have to suck to see.

    Of course, the awful truth is that the "lesser" film is much closer to his material than the other one.

  • avatarSuperflyTNT

    OK, so I just got done watching the movie again. Got to love Netflix.

    I think I like almost everything in the movie, especially the first half. The one thing I do not like is Momoa. I just can't accept him as Conan. He simply doesn't fit the bill IMO.

    That said...it's not a bad flick, and I agree it's got way more Howard flavor. Just that the lead isn't really right. But, at least he can ACT. Arnold was stiff as a board. If you could take Arnold and put Momoa's acting and energy into the character, that's the perfect win.

  • avatarJeff White

    All this talk of Conan, and spending the past two months re-collecting all the Mongoose Conan sourcebooks, really has me wanting to put in a trade for Age of Conan. Is it really that bad? Can it possibly be someone's guilty pleasure?

    Besides it boasts one of my two favorite pictures at bgg:

    http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic457637_md.jpg

  • avatardysjunct

    Mongoose Conan supplements are awesome. They really get it.

  • avatarSuperflyTNT

    It's not all that bad. It's an execution thing, I think.

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