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On the Table

Without the never-ending review backlog, I can get back to writing more editorial type stuff…this week, it’s all about how I hate playing games with strangers. Topical, since WBC is going on without me attending.

Did I tell y’all about Bill Abner? I don’t think I did. He’s now working with Conquistador Games, the company putting out the quite awesome-looking Road to Enlightenment that’s shipping soon as well as a game they’re working on called pretty awesomely The New Science. I’ve got a playtest kit for that I’ve just pawed over and it looks promising. Anyway, if you’re at WBC stop by and say hello to Bill, he’s there showing the games.

Starship Merchants has arrived courtesy Toy Vault, it looks cute. Mage Wars should be here soon, and I’ve got Lyssan coming as well. So reviews should pick up again soon. Still need to write up Infiltration, Levee en Masse IOS, and Dungeon Command. What was that about no backlog?

 

On the Consoles

Total score this week, Atlus sent review codes for Growlanser: Wayfarer of Time and the new Sting game Gungnir. Both are SRPGs, which fit right into my current interest in all things Japanese with deet-deet-deet text boxes and all that. I’ve just played Growlanser for about four hours, it’s stupendously complicated. And like a lot of Japanese RPG designs, it spends way too much time on the deet-deet-deet and not enough on the gameplay, at least not until you get way into the game and then there’s a ridiculously deep, complex experience waiting. I can’t believe anyone actually cares about the stories and dialogue in these games.  It seems pretty good overall, and it’s nice to have something new that works on the Vita although it’s a PSP title.

On IOS

I actually bought a new IOS game- 10000000. It’s a match 3 crossed with a dungeon crawl crossed with an endless runner. It’s pretty much as strange and complex as it sounds. It definitely has some Dungeon Raid influence- connecting swords to damage monsters and all that- but you also have a man running at the top of the screen and you’ve got to overcome obstacles and find keys before time runs out. There’s also wood and rock resources you use to upgrade the rooms of a castle where you can develop your character. The graphics are annoyingly 8-bit for no reason, but it seems like there’s a good- and challenging game here.

On Comixology

Greg Rucka’s Detective Comics run with Batwoman totally sucked. I had heard a lot of great things about it, I thought it was lame and I think I could do without ever reading a man trying to write a believable lipstick lesbian character again. JH Williams III Mucha-esque art is nice, but it’s also gimmicky and almost silly in its baroqueness. Not feeling it at all, and the Question sub-story was useless.

Gotham Central, mostly by Brubaker, was much better. It’s kind of a detective’s eye view of crime and super-crime in Gotham, and how the police sort of deal with having Batman around. Bats is barely in the book at all, and one of the main characters has a huge dislike for him. I read the first five, which included stories about Mr. Freeze and Firebug, and I’d go in for more on the dollar sale, for sure.

Ed Brubaker’s The Man Who Laughs was really good, a nice one-shot that follows up on both Year One and The Killing Joke in style.

There was a dollar sale on Irredeemable so I worked my way up into the teens on those. I think I’m losing interest in it. The concept is so awesome and I love some of the truly terrifying implications of the Plutonian, but it’s already feeling like it would have been best served as a six issue mini than a 50 issue series. There was sort of a shark-jumping moment that I think did the book in for me…and there’s also the matter that after 15 issues or so of seeing how awful the Plutonian is it kind of starts to get a little old.

On the Screen

Dark Knight Rises, at last. I’ve already issued forth about it in the forums. TL;DR- it’s awesome and it caps off one of my favorite film series of all time.

River’s gotten into My Neighbor Totoro, which is of course awesome. When you’ve got a two year old saying that he wants to watch Totoro, how can you possibly say no. So we’ve watched that a bunch lately, the only grief is that it has those god awful English language songs. The dubbing is fine (the most recent Disney one), just those damn songs…

Such a sweet, gentle movie with a wonderful, understated ending.

He’s moving on to Kiki’s Delivery Service this week, which he oddly calls Room on the Broom since he likes the book and connects the whole witches/brooms thing.

On Spotify

Elton John. It’s easy to forget how awesome he used to be.

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Comments (21)
  • avatarbfkiller
    Quote:
    Starship Merchants has arrived courtesy Toy Vault, it looks cute. Mage Wars should be here soon, and I’ve got Lyssan coming as well. So reviews should pick up again soon. Still need to write up Infiltration, Levee en Masse IOS, and Dungeon Command. What was that about no backlog?

    Review Rodeo!

  • avatarSan Il Defanso

    So quick question, is there a reason why you don't put your No High Scores article links in these pieces? I usually read them on my phone (NHS is blocked at work), and it's nice to be able to just shoot the link that way instead of having to browse for it on my phone.

    Until I read it, I'll assume it's another Barnes Hatchet Job (TM).

  • avatarDr. Mabuse

    I love the music from the Miyazaki films. I had an assorted soundtrack from about 10 years ago with stuff from Kiki, Castle in the Sky as well as Totoro.

    Jo Hisaishi is fucking brilliant. His stuff can still bring me to tears.

    My oldest was 4 when my Japanese buddy introduced us to Miyazaki's films. She and I fell in love with them instantly. It was awesome when she started to read and we skipped the dubbed films and went with the translated ones.

  • avatarSusanR

    Yeah, where's the link to the article? I'm lazy :)

    Six hours of Das Zepter von Zavandor with strangers? OMG, I've played 3 hours of that game with good friends and wanted to stab myself.

    I guess I'm lucky. Well, sorta. My worst experiences playing with strangers have been with people that have to have a simple rule repeated 9,000 times during the game and then ponder their move for 10 minutes before asking to have it explained to them yet again.

    Of course, there was a Meetup once where I played a game of Ticket to Ride with my arch nemesis. We trashed talk with each other the entire game and had a great time as usual. So did one of the other players(a stranger). The 4th player (another stranger) went on the Meetup forum and complained how the people she played with were mean to each other and overly competitive (!)

  • avatarMattDP
    Quote:
    Elton John. It’s easy to forget how awesome he used to be.

    In that single sentence, you have so utterly destroyed your previously impregnable musical credentials that there is naught left but a blasted wasteland, riddled with craters and disease.

  • avatarSka_baron

    Just wanted to say that I love that "Joe Carcassonne" has caught on and I'm thinknig the female analogue should be "Sally Catan."

  • avatarhotseatgames

    I've yet to watch Totoro. Always meant to.

  • avatarSan Il Defanso

    Finally read the article.

    I'm an includer by nature, and I generally like meeting new people. But I also get a little tired of "mind if I join you" guy. It's one thing if it's a bunch of people who don't know each other. It might send the game south in a hurry, but it's just as likely to end well. No, I really hate it when it's me and three friends, and this other guy is just killing time.

    I circumvent a lot of that stuff by arranging ahead of time to play a specific game, then meeting at the game night. I don't like wasting my game nights either, but if I get in one game that I really wanted to play I feel like I haven't wasted my time.

  • avatarSuperflyTNT

    Of all of the JapDis movies, Ponyo is our favorite. Totoro is our second, but it's not even that close, although not taking anything away from its brilliance. We just really love the little cute love story and supernatural nature of Ponyo.

    Elton John is a burned out hulk of what he used to be. It's not Michaels music cred that Matt described, it's the state of Elton's talent.

  • avatarmoofrank  - Starship Merchants

    It is a good game, but perhaps you should give it a miss. It is a relatively dry Euro-ish engine game. It is VERY short, however, pulling off the kind of curve that would normally be in a three hour Euro piled into maybe 45 minutes. (I played it with Joe Huber, master of the 30 minute Puerto Rico game, and holder of several land speed records. Odds are, it probably took us 20 minutes with time for a caffeine break.)

    Zepter is a 90-120 minute game tops. So you got dragged into a living hell of a group. That says, you REALLY need to get your ass to one of the clubhouse days. Instead of open invitation, it is a more manageable 30-40 people, a great group, and very AT friendly.

    The odd thing is that there are STILL a class of people I like to socialize with, but not play games. Some of that is incompatible tastes in games, but there is the occasional overly serious competitive type.

    Sandi is the absolute master (mistress?) of dealing with game invites from strangers:
    "No thanks, I'd rather bleed from the eyes."
    "Oh my god, what is that smell?"
    "Can I set you on fire if I don't like it?"
    (harsh, disapproving stare)

  • avatarStonecutter  - re:
    MattDP wrote:
    Quote:
    Elton John. It’s easy to forget how awesome he used to be.


    In that single sentence, you have so utterly destroyed your previously impregnable musical credentials that there is naught left but a blasted wasteland, riddled with craters and disease.

    Go spin Captain Fantastic or Tumbleweed Connection from beginning to end and get back to us. It ain't all Crocodile Rock and Daniel.

  • avatarEgg Shen

    I have never really seen the appeal in things like Meetup groups or going to a local gamestores to play with strangers. It's not that I'm anti-social or anything, but the thought to do something like that never even crossed my mind. I love boardgames, but I don't need to play them every week. My fiance is great because she will usually sit down and play pretty much anything. Then I usually schedule a game night we a few buddies once every month or so. On top of that people in my family will usually bug me to play some lighter stuff once every few weeks. All of that is more than enough boardgame time for me.

    I wouldn't be opposed to going to a convention and playing a few games (especially if I knew some of the people from this site were in attendance), but its not very high on my 'must do' list. The horror stories that I've read from people like Barnes and others make it sound like I'm not missing out on much.

  • avatarSuperflyTNT

    I've had people over that were strangers before and it worked out great. One of the guys was a good dude, but always busy, but he's more in to D&D and World of Warcraft raids on his big lan at home, so he doesn't show up. Fucker still has my Conan TPs, the blighter.

    This other guy was a wanker. Mickey was especially hard on him for being a bit of a prick while explaining BSG and he never showed up again. He had 1 Sam Adams and left the other 5 here. Something tells me he's not coming back...you never leave your beer!

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Yeah, what it comes down to Egg is that the games are so secondary for me. Frank'll tell you- I'm the guy that shows up and says "let's play whatever". I think it's why he likes for me to come over, because he can break out whatever bizarro, unappealing, possibly broken or antique game in his collection and I'll play it. So it's just not important for me to seek out these gaming opportunities just to get games played. If I want to play a board game bad enough, I'll set it up on the floor and play it by myself over congregating with strangers. There is a potential fun murderer lurking behind every gamer's eyes. Know your enemy.


    Huber was one of the folks behind Lords of Waterdeep, and I have to say that I think I really like his approach to the Eurogame if that's any indication. Very, very minimalist, quick playing, and not a lot of guff. That makes Starship Merchants sound very appealing to me. The problem with those kinds of game (Waterdeep included) is that folks tend to take them out of context and criticize them along lines that are out of proportion with their design goals.

    As for Elton John, there's a lot of brilliant music from the 1970s and my general policy of "good music is good music" applies. Yes, he's made a complete travesty of his past with everything released since...um...the late 1970s. The Donald Duck suit remains a horrifying moment in rock history. And the Lion King song is truly atrocious. But put on "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting"...

    Ponyo is awful. It's the only Miyazaki film where I think he just completely didn't give a shit about it, which is particularly damning since his other work is so meticulous and often personally labored over. It was lazy, repetitive, and crudely drawn. Also a bit too close to Cocoon in some ways.

    I'd go so far as to say it's the only "bad" Miyazaki film...Porco Rosso isn't up to scratch either, but there's obviously some real passion for aviation and Hollywood flyboy films in it. But it's not on the level of Laputa, Mononoke, Totoro, Kiki, Nausicaa or even Castle of Cagliostro. I love Howl's, but it's a very, very strange picture. Spirited Away is a little overrated IMO.

    Says the guy with a Kiki's Delivery Service tattoo.

  • avatarShellhead

    I've played boardgames with total strangers before, including at GenCon. I've never had a horrible experience, and I've even had some fun games that way. In my experience, the worst times weren't with total strangers, it was with a friend of a friend. A few of my friends are so into boardgames that don't care at all who they play with, so some of their gaming buddies are fairly obnoxious. Rules lawyer jerks I can live with, usually, but when some chick has a weepy meltdown because she is losing badly, that's annoying.

    So in theory, I should be in complete agreement with the idea that it isn't the games we play, it's the people we play them with that are important. But there are a lot of people who play differently depending on the game. Extremely competitive people can be fun to play with in a co-op. People who are fun to play a party game with might be downright dull during a eurogame. And I've seen quiet people come to life during an exciting AmeriTrash game.

  • avatardragonstout

    I thought Ponyo was actually the prettiest Miyazaki movie yet. What you call "crude" I called "obviously hand-drawn", and therefore felt more personal/real ("lazy", seriously??!?). As much as I love Mononoke and Spirited Away, the slickness is a little distancing, and the 30 seconds or less that Spirited Away spends using CGI (the "walking through flowers" bits) are incredibly jarring.

    Seriously, I LOVE the backgrounds in Ponyo, the waves, everything. Story was dumb, but whatever. Cannot fathom calling it "lazy".

  • avatarmjl1783
    Quote:
    As for Elton John, there's a lot of brilliant music from the 1970s and my general policy of "good music is good music" applies. Yes, he's made a complete travesty of his past with everything released since...um...the late 1970s.

    Oh, come on. He had some good stuff in the 80s. The Fox had things like "Fascist Faces" which rock pretty hard (for Elton John, anyway), and Too Low for Zero had some of his best radio songs. "I'm Still Standing" is one of the best breakup songs ever. He's OK by me right up until around the Lion King era, when he started doing this pappy, cloying, saccharine crap. Although, you like Abba, so I would've thought that would be right up your alley.

    Thrower, if you don't like early Elton John, you just don't dig what rock & roll is all about man. I know, I hate it when people say that shit, too, but if you seriously can't at least occasionally get behind the horny bombast of "Saturday Night's...," "The Bitch is Back," or "Sick City," something is misfiring in your fun cortex.

    Two of those tracks are from Carribou, which you should do yourself a favor and check out in lieu of Captain Fantastic, Madman Across the Water, or his other big 70s records. It has his version of "Pinball Wizard" on it, which rocks so much harder than The Who's.

    That deaf dumb and blind kid.... SHAOW PLAYS A MEAN PAYUNBAWL!!!

  • avatarSagrilarus

    First of all, TI:3 players shall bow down before King Put for the next 12 months. Will Kenyon is so yesterday (literally).

    I have enough reach into the larger community that WBC provides two services -- meeting with friends from previous years, and a pre-built vetting process for meeting new gamers. I've gotten in a dozen games since Thursday including five or six first-meet people that were given the nod by F:At alumni in advance. So my hit rate is damn near 100%. The extended community serves a purpose.

    S.

  • avatarsgosaric

    I pretty much connect with the article as I'm more and more finding out that I need to game with friends. I had a bit more time to ponder in this subject, so here's where I'm at. I started looking at gaming clubs when our gaming with friends became more seldom. And I met eurogamers of different variations, but in the end; I discovered I am not one of their kind (a thought never crystallised before, but then I never played old Knizias or MPS arbeitersplazierungen before). I'm a rare breed of a gentle ameritrasher (hence only a lurker at this site).

    What I figured is not only that social aspect of gaming is of prime interest of mine (my priorities in gaming are: 1. talking, socialising, 2: theme, 3: something, ... 99: winning), but that games played at a club are made exactly for the reason of playing with strangers. It's not only about low level of social interaction (the talking part of gaming) being tailored so that it has as little effect on the winning result, but also that conflict level must be as low as possible. As I said once before - when I tried to get some talking being done in Junta:VEP all the other gamers (in silence) attacked me. I've got a couple of friends who find handling with conflict a bit difficult, but it appears this is even harder with people you don't know, or don't know you and as I'm some sort of emotional lighting rod, this affects me. I probably had a bit of problem dealing with aggression a couple years back, but playing diplomacy online (an a week or two being upset in the middle of it) did wonders. However it seems that kind of maturity (handling conflict in games) is not only rare, but also not really seen as something one would care to overcome, rather the games being tailored so that nobody gets hurt and nothing actually happens. Well okay, somebody wins, I guess, that's the focal point, one I couldn't care less about. There are occasional cases where we meet (like thematic MPS, I'm fine with that) and I can borrow games and try with friends. Also I must admit this situation gave me a lot to think about particular games and gaming in general.

    I did meet one group of friends, who play warhammer and occasional boardgame, and they're total geeks and some would seem socially weird, but they were kind enough to tolerate my presence (I was their "mind if I join guy, well, I actively sought them out on FLGS's clerk suggestion) and I enjoyed myself a lot. Some time after that I manage to get players from club for more intimate, ameritrash evenings and I consider them very successful.

    So responding to Michael's column, I wouldn't say you're unfriendly and hostile and elitist or whatnot. I'd say it's the only way to get out of gaming what you game for. It's games that are best played in a friendly circle, with relaxed attitude that can and will fall completely flat when played with people who "are not into it". It's this weird realisation that playing games for a social reason demands being choosy who you game with. And not only because - it's people you don't know and so on - but it's because a lot of these people don't play for socialising aspect. My example above - me being a stranger to a group of friends showed that I can play with strangers, if they care for socialising, relaxing, "fun" side of gaming.

  • avatarrepoman

    Gamers are just like everyone else. The vast majority are ok and on either end of the spectrum are the super cool and the morons. The thing is that I'm still at a state where I can tolerate 10 morons (400 pound guy bending over a table with 80% of his ass hanging out) if it lets me meet one super cool guy (Sag or Andy or Saul).

    I can appreciate that Mike has had his fill but I am still in the stage of wanting to expand my "gaming connections" so that the opportunities for me play different styles of games with super cool people are increased.

    That said, a day at my house with my wife's cooking and a few select people that I really enjoy is far better than a day in a convention hall.

  • avatarJexik

    At the risk of decreasing my odds of playing a game with Barnes even if I do travel within 15 miles of Atlanta, I've got to disagree with him on this point.

    I tend to put the game first.

    I agree that my gaming time is valuable, but I don't want to spend it playing something that I really dislike, such as Finca or Fluxx. I also avoid long games in general, because I hate getting stuck in a long game. (Maybe this is part of my way of avoiding a bad experience with people I don't know? Hedge my bets with multiple short games?)

    If I'm at one of the groups I attend now and then, I bring a box of games I want to play. I put one on the table, and ask who wants to play it. This sounds eerily similar to how JC Lawrence operates, but I'm usually putting down something like Neuroshima Hex or Dwarf King lately, not a 6 hour rail game. At Origins, I was surprised by how much I enjoyed demo-ing Summoner Wars and Dungeon Run to perfect strangers. I've also come to enjoy explaining rules to games that I've taught many times. I've got teaching Dominion down to a science, from co-workers to Mrs. Dauch.

    My two roommates are guys I've known for about 25 and 15 years, respectively, and I really like spending time with them; but they're simply not into board games as much as I am, and I'm totally cool with that. In fact, they're not even going to GenCon this year, even though we had all gone the last 4 years or so, since we all got into Heroscape. I've decided to do what my friends want to mutually do, be it watching movies or playing tennis or whatever, rather than asking them to play games if it's not something that comes up.

    And through board games I've met some pretty cool people.

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