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[TV] "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" 1.1 and 1.2 Review Hot

Did the new Fox show "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" crap all over the franchise (and its fans?)  Or is this a potential diamond in the rough that is the Writer's Strike?  And is Summer Glau hot enough to melt a T-1000?  Read on to find out!

 

 

"Let's face it--the Fox network and science-fiction shows don't exactly have the greatest of track records together.  Ever since Chris Carter ran "X-Files" deep into a masturbatory circle, and the quick and nasty cancellation of "Firefly", there hasn't been much for sci-fi fans to celebrate when it comes to the Fox Network.

 

 It wasn't surprising then that when word leaked of a show based on The Terminator that would be airing on Fox, scepticism was rampant.  Just how bad would the show suck?  And more importantly, if it was any good how long would it take Fox to cancel it?

 

 There's good news on both fronts...it doesn't outright suck, and given the dearth of available options on network television right now, I suspect the show will be given more of a chance to develop and shine than it would be otherwise.

 

 I can't really talk about the show much without going into SPOILERS, so if you haven't seen it yet, you might want to hold off reading the rest of the review until then.

 

 

 

"Sorry I keep checking out your boobs, mom.  You're kind of hot."

 

 

Alright, now I can talk about what I liked and disliked about the two episodes so far.  The first episode begins with a bang--literally, as John Connor is gunned down by a T-800 at school.  And as is the case when anything so dramatic happens, it's a dream sequence.  Not a positive way to begin the show as the "dream sequence" is a really tired item.  Too, it makes the viewer feel as though they've just wasted the first five-minutes of the show.

 

It becomes quickly apparent that T:TSCC is completely disregarding Terminator 3, as Sarah Connor (Lena "Leonidas Rides Me Like a Steed" Heady)  is alive and well in 1999.  Still on the run and fugitives from justice, Sarah and John can't seem to stay put for very long.  Sarah has a man in her life, but paranoia from her dream takes over and soon she's pulling a Kate from Lost and is on the run again.  John had really bonded with the new guy and takes the loss pretty hard, which becomes an important plot point later.

 

The Connors have another problem beyond the imminent arrival of another T-800...a determined FBI agent is trying to track down the murderers of Miles Dyson, believed to be the Connor mother/son duo.

 

 All of this leads to the very predictable arrival of another Terminator from the future...and equally as predictable, a new Terminator (played by Serenity's Summer Glau) is there to protect him.  From there, the chase is on.  And it certainly leads in a very unexptected direction.....

 

 One thing I'll say at this point is that the guy they got to play the T-800...y'know, Arnold takes a lot of criticism for his "acting", but it quickly becomes apparent that Ah-nuld has nothing to worry about.  TV's T-800 smirks and glares his way through his scenes, makes unconvincing wisecracks, and just isn't terribly menacing as a villain.  Where Robert Patrick would send a glare that had you wishing you were somewhere else, this guy reminds you more of someone's smart-ass uncle.

 

 

 

"Jimmy, don't stare at Uncle Frank's skin condition.  And get him some
booze, you know how he gets."

 The show does take a very unexpected twist by the end of 1.1 as pigeonholed in a bank vault, Cameron (a witty creator-inspired name for Summer Glau's cyborg character) manages to put together both some sort of Terminator-zapping super weapon AND a time machine out of what appears to be old typewriters, some random car engine parts, and duct tape.  The A-Team themselves couldn't have done better.  Suddenly, bang-zoom, they're eight years in the future--conveniently, approximately our time--and naked standing on a highway.

 

As they find their bearings, an important plot point is dropped--there have been multiple Terminators and resistance fighters leaping all over the place for years.  This explains why all those parts were conveniently locked away in a bank vault.  Sarah and Cameron try to hook up with a pocket of resistance fighters but find them all slaughtered...each bearing their "Human UPC" barcodes...EXCEPT FOR ONE!  Yep, it's an evil Terminator lying in wait for the fifth member.  After a brief struggle, the bad Terminator can't make out what sort of cyborg Cameron is and opts to flee.

 

 John meanwhile is instructed to stay home, but since he's now cut of the 'whiny, annoying, screw you I won't do what you tell me' mold ' (see Anakin Skywalker, Episode 2) of course he gets out and about and finds out about Google.  If  John gets wise, he should leap back in time and gobble up all the Google IPOs, then he could single-handedly bankroll the entire war on evil machinery.

 

 Sarah meanwhile is in the pursuit of new IDs, and her old contact Enrique is out of the business but directs him toward his nephew instead.  Much hilarity ensues as Cameron tries to mimic the gang member's sassy girlfriend.  Much violence almost ensues as a cop wants to ID their vehicle but Sarah shows up just in time to stop Cameron from punching a hole through the cop's head.  Sarah does catch some Spanish that bugs her as she hears Enrique referred to as a "Rat" or "snitch".  She goes to confront Enrique about this and as she has her doubts, Cameron shoots him in cold blood.  (Guess John hasn't gotten around to teaching her to only shoot people in the kneecaps yet).

 

 

Running parallel to all of this, a construction worker had found the T-800s head in the rubble of the bank and took it home as some sort of Metalocalypse-inspired trophy.  Maybe he wanted it to match his Halo 3 Master Chief  that he got when he pre-ordered, who knows.  Anyway, the cat licks the Terminator noggin, which reboots it (I've tried this, it does not work with my home computer).  The EVIL Terminator's body--through the power of Bluetooth or something, the whole thing isn't quite clear-- digs itself from the rubble, pulls an Edgar from Men in Black and finds itself a human head to wear for a bit until it can be reunited with its skull.  Much to the chagrin of the dude who found it, who tries to interfere in the reunion but receives the holiday gift of DEATH for his troubles.

 

 

The show ends with a mysterious figure looking on at John and Sarah...and that someone has a UPC code on their arm!  Dum-dum-DUM!

 

 

 

And...that's a wrap.

 

 

So...what did I think?  To be honest, it's better than I anticipated, but that's not saying much given the dire expectations of the show.  It needs a lot of work and probably time to develop its narrative voice, but it does show a lot of promise.  The CGI is definitely of the "affordable" kind but is still good for network television.

 

It's smart enough to not overexplain everything, meaning that those who have seen T2 will be able to follow right along without being pandered to.  There are the obvious nods to fans, including Sarah's alias of "Reese", references to plot points from T2 (including Dyson), Cameron as a name for a Terminator, and despite the disregard for T3's events, does dovetail with much of what happened there, or could have happened, as Cameron tells Sarah blankly that "you died.  Cancer."  This seems to indicate that T3 was just a potential future and when Cameron and the T-800 were sent back, things changed again.

 

 That's not to say that there isn't a lot of room for improvement.  There's the "lazy writing" syndrome at work sometimes...things happen because they're supposed to happen.  Also, the show seems to ignore how the movies took time-travel as a very non-trivial affair (that's why only one T-800 was sent back to kill Sarah in the first movie rather than an army of them.)  Here, we're lead to believe that people and cyborgs have been time-hopping like crazy, and that a time machine can be assembled from pieces of junk locked away in a bank vault. 

 

John still hasn't progressed as far as you would expect from someone who is expected to be the "savior of mankind".  The show seems to run with the plotline of  a self-doubting John Connor.  He's got a looooong way to go, and the "rebel teen" and "bored and whiny" stuff is going to have to disappear, and fast.  You'd think with what he's been through coupled with Sarah's paranoia and training, he'd have progressed much farther.  Time is short, and he's going to have to man-up and quickly since they've skipped eight years in the future.  My bet?  Glau nookie will turn him into a man before series end ("it felt....oily.  And I think I caught one of my testicles in a gear or something.")

 

 

"Come with me if you want to LOVE."  Yes, I totally stole this joke.

All in all, a fairly promising beginning to the show, and worth watching for genre fans.  I think I've read that nine shows are in the can, and unless there's some miracle in the Writer's Strike I'm guessing Fox will air them all, even if ratings sink.  So far the ratings are pretty solid--normally a good sign, but again, you just never know with Fox.

 

Rating:  (both episodes together)  3.5 out of 5.

 

 


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  • avatarPat

    I'm obviously in the minority here as the networks churn out this stuff on a regular clip but...Come on, if sequels weren't bad enough now we have to create television shows out of the embers of the still smoldering pile of rubble that was once one of my favorite movies. The Terminator was shelled mercilessly and razed by Hollywood even with T2. T3 existed only to ensure that it's name be erased from the record books. Now it seems that Fox is bent on making sure that no one will ever whisper the words "Terminator" and "Great Film" in the same sentence for decades to come. It really is too bad that there isn't enough creativity in TV writing. I'm sure this will appeal to the hard core sci-fi fan but I myself love a great movie and I love them even more when there are no sequels made, despite the fact that every movie these days is treated to a sequel. As a matter of fact most of the sequels are already in post production by the time the original(this needs to be changed to "first") is hitting the theatres. It just seems so tired and lazy to me.

    Please lay off the A-Team. Faceman and Murdock alone would surely end the terminator threat within a 60 minute time slot for good. Hannibal would put out the order to build a "anti time machine" and the boys would be off to the landfill and produce the antidote machine out of rubber, paper and seagull shit, thus closing the time gap forever.

    Dah da dah, da da dum etc... you know the song.

    Nicley and colorfully written though Ken. I just really have no time for rehashed TV crap, which the sci-fi genre suffers from horribly.

  • avatarMerkles

    Now there you go for an AT game---
    A-Team conflict game with a random scenario generator (different maps depending upon which back lot the episode was filed--country, urban, etc.)

    A soundtrack with the song....

  • avatarKen B.

    Maybe I should have went with the more geek-approved "MacGuyver himself couldn't have done better."


    That A-Team song, man....once it's in your head, it stays awhile.


    Duh-duh-duh-DUHHHHHHHH! Duhhhh-duh-duhhhhh. Duh dee duh-duh duhhhh duhhh, duh dee duh duh duhhhhh....

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    I actually did a pretty awesome cover of the A-TEAM theme song when I was about 10...I used a Casio SK-1 keyboard and it had a lot of samples of me saying "The A-Team" and I also did lyrics. Don't remember much except for "Helpin' people in need".

    This caught my attention:

    Running parallel to all of this, a construction worker had found the T-800s head in the rubble of the bank and took it home as some sort of Metalocalypse-inspired trophy.

    This sounds suspiciously like a plot element from a very underappreciated 1990 film called HARDWARE (or MARK 13, depending on where you live). It was directed by Richard Stanley and it plays like a strange hybrid of Italian splatter aesthetics, cyberpunk, and 2000 AD. As such, it's pretty great. But this whole finding the killer robot's head thing...that's straight out of it.

    Show sounds like crap...I have no idea why people can't leave well enough alone. TERMINATOR is a classic film and the character (as portrayed by Schwazenegger) is iconic and timeless. But no...let's spoil greatness with watered-down shit just to make a quick buck. Show won't last more than a season.

    http://www.ugo.com/images/galleries/robotweek_filmtv/evil/mark13_1_th.jpg

  • avatarPat

    This might fly in the face of my earlier comments but I'd be all for a Rob Zombie re-make of T2 right now seeing as how the license is obliterated. Just imagine that along with discovering emotions, the Terminator also discovers his penis and a love of liquor to augment his violence programming.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Oh jeez...that means Sid Haig and Sheri Moon will be in it...and they'll be plenty of hillbilly humour. The Terminator goes back and gets discovered by the Firefly family or something...

  • avatarKen B.

    Aw hell....who wouldn't want some of Captain Spaulding's FRIED CHICKEN!

  • avatarPat

    Danny Trejo or Diamond Dallas Page as the Terminator.

  • avatarbillyz

    Thank you Ken for saving me the time and trouble of going out of my way to watch this thing.

    IF I catch by happenstance maybe I'll give it a go.

    What happenned to the Terminator licence and when did it happen?

  • R.K. Fade

    I just finished watching the first 2 on my TIVO. I didn't completely hate it. That's not really saying much. I'd probably be crapping myself if I was 14.

    Could be a good show if the producers realize they don't HAVE to be attacked by a T-800 EVERY single episode . . . However, you know they will be . . . which will just make Skynet seem so impotent. You'd think one of those things could succeed at killing a frickin' teenager. I mean, why not just make a suicide bomber model to take care of the apparently bad-aim-with-a-pistol problem?

    Show could have been more interesting if it took place during the actual war against Skynet perhaps . . . when Jon Conner is supposedly some great military genius. We've sat through 3 movies of this "oh my god, terminators, RUN!!!, change the future!!" and now we're gonna sit through a TV series of it.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Look guys, the "franchise" tanked as soon as they gave the Terminator feelings, made him a cuddly friend to children, and he shot all those guys in the legs...I remember practically yelling in the theater when I saw that.

    Put it to bed. Go back and time and kill everybody who thought this would be a good idea. Somebody should have realized that T3 pretty much killed anything good left in it, what with Arnie's Grecian formula dyejob and unbelieveably crap facial appliances. Alright, the scene where they dig up Sarah Connor's grave and it's full of guns was pretty awesome, but other than that...and guys, Madame Terminator or whatever she was called is a lesbian and a terrible actress to boot

    Everyone knows that this is the one true Lady Terminator:

    http://www3.schnittberichte.com/www/SBs/3166/cover.jpg

  • avatarKen B.

    Now, now, now...that lady went on to make Bloodrayne, man.

    When UWE directs your next movie, you've arrived, baby.

  • avatarPat

    Skynet can't figure out how to send a Terminator with a Nuke in a backsack to wherever Connor is close to hanging out...this is the sort of question that no one would have if they left it after the first movie. Is John Connor Bin Laden for fuck sakes?

    I am hearing rumors of a "Terminator" musical might be opening on Broadway with Andrew Lloyd Weber all but signed on to start things off...possible runs in Toronto and London.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    When UWE directs your next movie, you've arrived, baby.

    What about when you've starred in TWO Uwe Boll pictures, in addition to a Sci Fi Channel movie?

  • Mr Skeletor

    I haven't seen it, but MY GOD it sounds like shit!
    WHere the fuck is the good stuff? It just sounded like crap after crap.

    The only redeeming thing about it is it enspired ken to write a very snazzy review.

  • avatarDruen Kree

    when exactly does John Connor Learn to be a military genius because in this show hes a crying little bitch.

  • R.K. Fade
    Quote:
    The only redeeming thing about it is it enspired ken to write a very snazzy review.

    Not true. The female terminator is quite pleasing to the eyes. Ole' Mama Sarah ain't too bad either.

  • avatarShellhead

    Hollywood will continue to crank out sequels as long as they smell money, which is why we are supposed to eventually get a T4 and T5.

    However, it was my understanding that the main reason for T3 was to basically do a huge commercial for Arnie when he was running for Governor. That would explain why it sucked so badly, and why everybody was so surprised at this tv show concept.

    I have refused to watch this Terminator tv crap so far, and it doesn't sound like I missed much, since they basically ripped off the plot to T2, only with worse acting and worse special effects.

    I disagree with Barnes about T2. That movie managed the neat trick of having tons of violence and yet also working as a critique of violence. Remember the slo-mo scene with the two little mexican boys trying to "shoot" each other with their toy guns? It was a small moment, but spoke volumes to me. Then again, most people don't remember that, just the Hasta La Vista line.

  • Mr Skeletor
    Quote:
    I disagree with Barnes about T2. That movie managed the neat trick of having tons of violence and yet also working as a critique of violence.

    I HATED that bullshit, it was so sappily presented. Cameron can really hit the hack notes at times.
    Robocop handled the whole "commentary on violence" thing so much better.

  • Forelle

    I watched the second half tonight and I'll agree with Ken - it's not bad for t.v.

    I'll also agree with some of the concerns noted above. I'm not sure what the hell this show is going to do for umpteen episodes. Having a cyborg smackdown every week will get old pretty quick. On the other hand, if this show isn't about blowing shit up, it's going to have to focus on something else, like feelings, or getting laid by a cyborg. And of course since it's on network t.v. that won't pay off either.

    However, it's only two episode in and my concerns will be placed in an appropriate place in the back of mind to be forgotten as soon as I push the send button on this post.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    it's not bad for t.v.

    Here's the problem. TV doesn't have to be bad or a somehow reduced medium. TV can be incredible, and serialized shows can be amazing and every bit as interesting, exciting, and well-crafted as a feature. Look at BSG, LOST, THE PRISONER, OUTER LIMITS, THE TWILIGHT ZONE, NIGHT GALLERY, SIMPSONS (the Good Years), X-FILES, SOPRANOS, and so on.

    I think people settle too easily for junk TV, I guess because it's free or at least easy to turn on and watch without baggage. I just don't watch a lot of TV of the network series variety, and I definitely don't watch reality shows.

    That movie managed the neat trick of having tons of violence and yet also working as a critique of violence.

    Yeah, but I don't buy it...regardless of the fact that he doesn't kill anyone, it's still a violent movie and therefore it's very insincere. The Mexican kids shooting each other in slow motion really said a lot more about how didactic and cheap Cameron is as a filmmaker. That's the kind of dimestore signifying that makes Big Hollywood Directors though- Spielberg's made a career off of bludgeoning audiences with that kind of message delivery.

  • RobertB

    If in T2, Cameron was aiming for a violent movie as a critique of violence, I think he missed. But I think that he was trying for just the opposite effect - he was trying to sanitize as much of the violence as possible so it wouldn't veer off into shootemup porn a'la Total Recall. You see it all through the movie. That orderly licks Sarah Connor's face just so you won't feel bad when she flattens his ass with a broomstick. Ahnuld starts winging people just like some 30's white-hat cowboy, rather than blowing away a bunch of cops a'la T1. Even Miles Dyson takes the comfortable-to-the-audience way out by committing suicide.

    If Cameron had wanted people to squirm in their seats, he could've left people to face those sorts of uncomfortable notions. "Hey, the _heroes_ of this movie just blew away a guy right in front of his wife and kids." But then he wouldn't have made $500M off of it.

  • avatarPat

    T2 was just plain garbage. I have erased Alien 3 from my head but I remember that was just as awful. When will people learn.

    Mark my words - within the next 5-10 years you will see either lord Of The Rings and/or Star Wars on the TV.

    (insert shaking head emoticaon)

  • avatarmikoyan

    Star Wars on TV is already in the making. They are doing a series to fill in the time between Papaltine and Vader sitting on the Bridge of a Star Destroyer to Vader walking through the smoke filled hallway of a Corellian Blockade Runner.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Wow! Sounds awesome!

    Oh wait...Lucas is involved.

  • avatarmikoyan

    Oh yeah, I forgot, it's still fasionable to bash on Lucas.

  • avatarJoelCFC25

    My avatar pic was taken around the time of Empire Strikes Back....when Lucas was still awesome.

    Then came ROTJ. And he went completely off the reservation with the prequels. I don't have high hopes for a TV series (this is the first I've heard of it).

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    That's really cool Joel, it reminds us all of what it was like to be a kid and into ST at the time...although I still think anybody that think ROTJ is somehow the droping off point is flat wrong.

    But anyway, I found this painting that I believe represents the effect that George Lucas has had on our collective childhoods:

    http://fortressat.com/images/Barnes/saturn_1000.jpg

  • avatarmikoyan

    For the longest time, I didn't like Return of the Jedi and then I watched all 6 Movies together and I had different perspective on it. Everything is in it for a reason, even the ewoks. The ewoks are there to show that human spirit can triumph over technology (a common theme of Lucas). The lightsaber battle is pretty awesome but it shows Luke having the same choice as his father but not making the same choice. Finding it preferable to die honorably rather than living as the Emperor's servant. At that point, you can see Anakin starting to come out of Vader as he looks between Papaltine and Luke and realizing that Papaltine played him.

    As for the prequels, I enjoyed them (although they could have done without Jar Jar). While they don't quite live up to the Star Wars level, they are still better than 90% of the crap that passes off as movies these day. Although I think Lucas would have been better served if he had used a different director.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Alright, I'm coming out of hiding. I fucking like the Ewoks, alright? I like them a lot. I think they're cool.

    I've never admitted that in public before.

    Now the Gungans...folks, that's where your hate needs to be directed.

  • avatarmikoyan

    I love the Gungan Hunting Scenario in Star Wars Battlefront 2. I also like shooting ewoks when I play the Star Wars arcade game.

  • RobertB

    I guess that anyone who could beat some fuckin' sense into George Lucas' head must've left Lucasfilms by the time they started making _Return of the Jedi_. While these were all visually stunning, for me they just offer too much disbelief to suspend. But George _did_ get full-price movie ticket money out of me for every one of those movies, so I guess he wins after all.

  • avatarKen B.

    When I was a kid, Return of the Jedi was by far my favorite movie.

    I still like it quite a bit.


    Of the prequels, surprisingly the one that is going to age the best is "Phantom Menace". Self-contained with a definite beginning, middle, and end, good performances by Liam and Ewan, several action set-pieces, and a coherent plot.

    "Clones" had everyone in the theater cheering back then but it's by far the Star Wars movie I like the least now.


    I will check out the TV series. I'm a Star Wars whore, what do you expect?


    RAPE ME, LUCAS~!

  • RobertB

    As for RotJ not being a drop off, take out the Ewoks and Anakin's happy ghost scene at the end and you have a good movie. Anakin has a change of heart about killing his son and now he's a glow-in-the-dark saint? I'm betting the good folks of Alderaan might have a thing or two to say about that. And don't try to pin that one on Peter Cushing either.

  • avatarmikoyan

    I forget which book but in one of the books set after Return of the Jedi, Anakin tries to talk to Leia and she basically refuses to acknowledge him.

  • avatarJoelCFC25

    Well I liked ROTJ as a kid too, I'm sure I thought it was the pinnacle of moviemaking at the time.

    Let's face it, they all have drawbacks...

    ANH: Luke is really quite whiny, if you think about it. Ditto for C3PO.

    ESB: Whoops, sorry...this is the uber movie. But the remastered digital version cut out "Bring my shuttle." Travesty!!

    ROTJ: Ewoks (full marks to Michael for fessing up his furry fetish)

    TPM: Jar Jar of course, although little Anakin had some pretty heinous dialogue of his own.

    AOTC: Um, THAT scene by the fireplace. Face-meltingly bad.

    ROTS: Another scene with the two lovebirds on a balcony, this time with dialogue that doesn't even make logical sense.

  • Mr Skeletor

    I never understood the hate for ROTJ. It's pretty much on par with the other 2, not quite as good but still a fitting ending.
    Ankin's ghost HAS TO BE there at the end. Redemption was the theme of the film and that moment was it's climax.

    On the other hand the prequels were garbage, and Jar Jar was the least of their problems. Lucas forgot what story he was supposed to be telling - over the 3 films I was supposed to see the fall of a hero, and that just got pushed out of the film for a whole bunch of fanboy bullshit, especially in episodes 2 - 3. meanwhile episode 1 had next to nothing to do with the meta plot. I don't see how they are in anyway better than 90% of films out there, as films I consider them failures. Master of the Universe felt more like a star wars film for christ's sake.

    Meanwhile the TV shows (aint there going to be at least 2?) will be shit. I think we know that. The time perio they are covering simply wont work - we already knows what happens after it. Why they don't just write some stories set AFTER ROTJ is beyond me.

  • avatarShellhead

    I have been boycotting the whole Star Wars franchise since I saw Return of the Jedi in the theater. I did see a making-of documentary about The Phantom Menace before it came out, and got the impression that Jar-Jar was based on Little Black Sambo. Ugh.

    I heard that the Ewoks were originally supposed to be wookies, but Lucas saw how much money Spielberg raked in with E.T. and wanted to grab some similar quantities of cash. That movie would have been much more tolerable with the wookies, and I am only willing to watch the prequel trilogy if someone edits in a wookie in place of Jar-Jar, for every scene. Replace the voice with wookie sounds and then sub-title it in english.

  • avatarShellhead

    So I'm giving this Terminator show a try tonight, and it feels like it's all over the place, trying to be a WB teen show, a family drama, and a sci-fi action show all at once, without really focusing enough on any one of those. So far, my favorite scene was actually the one where the black cop is meeting with the latino gangstas. Such polite words and menacing gestures are a neat mix, and I especially liked the cop's exit, with the knowing smirk.

  • avatarAlan Polak

    I just don't get it when people bash ROTJ. You get the same thing with "Temple of Doom". Is it the best of the 'originals'? Hell no not a chance. But it's still a fantastic film. I think everyone who was around when ANH came out forgets that they were that much older when 'Jedi' came out. So of course you wont 'respond to it in quite the same way as 'New Hope'. I think it's _part_ of the reason 'Phantom Menace' took such a kicking. We're older now and those prequels were for the kids. Look at 'Hamlet -lite' Anakin in episode three, which could have had all kinds of serious emotional 'Empire Strikes Back' shit going on but was in fact bollocks!!

    Anyway I saw Sarah Connor Chronicles last night. We get stuff late here. And yeah it isn't great but I though that about BSG at first. What an idiot. BSG is the best tv in a long time. Terminator 2, like RotJ didn't outright 'suck' but yeah I agree; it isn't great. Still at least he got Robert Patrick right. And all that slow-mo gun crap. Fuck off. It's like Spielberg digitally replacing the guns in E.T. with radios. How did Cameron go from Terminator and Aliens( which is total gun-porn) to that? Mind you he did make Titanic. Perspective. Minor point about Sarah Connor thing. Anyone think referencing Luke Skywalker was out of place. It reminded me of Matrix Re-Loaded when Link talks about Superman.

  • avatarKen B.

    Hey man, I *love* Temple of Doom. It's a great movie, I have no idea why it takes the beating it does from fans. Black humor, great action, Indy being Indy...what's not to love? The opening sequence in the nightclub is worth the price of admission alone.

    As for the references to other things...I don't mind it because it "grounds" things in its own reality. Everything else is fiction, except for this that you're watching right now. And our universe isn't so different from yours.


    I've always wanted a movie to star Brad Pitt and for someone to walk up to him and go, "Hey! You look just like Brad Pitt!" Because if you think about it, in those movies it's pretty much implied that all other celebrities exist except for those starring in the movie, as no one ever points out the likeness.

  • avatarAlan Polak

    'Temple of Doom' is great. Sure its not as all round solid as 'Raiders' or as epic as 'Last Crusade'. But its good for all the reasons you mention plus chilled monkey brains. The opening scene is better than 'Crusade's River Phoenix in the snake pit (sorry River-R.I.P). PLus, she isn't as cool as M. Ravenwood...and does scream a lot, but Willie Scott would kick Jar Jar's ass in two seconds, and still do "Anything Goes" in Cantonese.

    Still not sure about the references to pop culture. Reminds me of when 'The Sopranos' was going to have Jon Bon-Jovi on it but decided not to as he was too well known as a 'real person' in New Jersey to be included in the fiction of the show. Still not entirely sure about this whole thing though. Will give the show another go. Although I can't help thinking it's going to be 'The Incredible Hulk'. Each week another adventure as they are chased by the FBI guy and whichever Terminator Skynet zaps back to get them.

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