I hear it very often on TOS - TtR makes for a great gateway game etc. Do they think we are stupid? I never understood this "gateway games", my gaming carrier started (surprisingly) with Magic and D&D and the first boardgames I played were Gondor, Battletech and Talisman. If a 13 year old kid is able to grasp those games without problems, why do the adults today need a "gateway" games? Some may argue that non-gamers need something less complicated to be attracted to the hobby but I call bullshit again. My ex's parents haven't played anything besides Monopoly before I introduced them to Puerto Rico (my ex loved that game so I eventually overcame my dislike for it) and again - they had no trouble to understand it and managed to play well after a couple of plays.