Squigherder wrote:


Personally, I found this, while elegant, to be overall a negative. Imagine, for example, Cosmic Encounter where, whenever you can draw a card, you may instead get a guy back from the warp, and vice versa as well. Suddenly, all the card-drawing aliens blend in together with the ship-restoring aliens, and everything becomes more homogeneous (Lucre in its original Eon implementation did this a little, actually). The fact that the difference in Netrunner between a card that says "draw three cards" and "gain three bits" is lessened is not, to me, a good thing about the design; I hate that you can actually CALCULATE the value of each card in terms of bits/actions/cards.

The thing that ironically saves it is that there thankfully is still an imbalance between the three resources: gaining three actions is, for example, way way way better than gaining three bits, and not even for flexibility reasons but for speed reasons (letting you lay down and advance agenda before the Runner has a chance to interact/run).

Michael Barnes wrote:

I'm not really sure what any of this means. The LCG format means that I can buy a pack of cards that cost about the same as a starter set of any CCG and know that I'm getting a full playset of whatever is in there. And the fact that they're fixed means that I can choose to either buy or not buy, depending on whether there are relevant cards in the set or not. I've skipped about half of the current cycle and I'm not experiencing any issues with needing cards that I'm somehow now forced to buy. I used to play three or four different CCGs at the same time, and I can say unequivocally that this system is superior in every way.


I know it's already been said, but Netrunner was only really balanced out of the starters, as I recall. Constructed was pretty degenerate. But I think what you mean by balanced was more on the purchasing side? If so, then I don't really see how you can defend blind buy on the premise that you only get stuff that was useful while calling fixed, known purchases in the LCG model a crock of shit. I don't think you can have it both ways.


I actually think they've done pretty well with their card games. I'm pretty excited about this.

Put me in the optimistic camp. I loved that the two sides played very differently from each other. Something that other CCGs of the time lacked. I'm sure that the core mechanics of the game will remain mostly untouched and the game will get the graphics update it sorely needs.

-Will

Now that I'm not at work and can look more closely at the art: art is AWESOME. I don't wanna hear any bitching about the art. This is the best I've seen from them since Cosmic.

Yeah, I think SFunk hit it pretty well on the head (Where do you play AGOT SFunk? I thought I was the only one around these parts :) re FFG right now. Personally, I want to like it on one hand, but then on the other hand the Star Wars LCG is coming out too, and I already play AGOT and a couple others...I just don't know that there's room in the wallet or the schedule

You can put me in the optimistic camp too, but the difference between CCG and LCG is the first letter and nothing else. Putting a couple of A+ cards in an expansion and filling the rest of it with B- cards is no better than blind booster packs.

S.

I too wonder how many different LCG lines both FFG and their customer base can support. Now or soon we'll have:

Warhammer Invasion

Star Wars

Lord of the Rings

Game of Thrones

Cthulu ?


Retail stores probably love them, as they provide repeat customer traffic, and the price point is low enough that they have a smaller risk of consumers defecting to online merchants.

Sagrilarus wrote:


There are two problems with what you're saying. First, not all cards should be "A+". Part of what I love about deckbuilding is using second tier or off the wall cards instead of always running a power deck. If every card had the same utility, there would be no real challenge to deckbuilding. Also, the first letter is the entire difference. Having paid up to around $50 for a single card in my CCG years, I think there's a significant difference in knowing that the most I'll ever pay for a playset of anything is about $12. Plus, I can just walk into my FLGS and pick up the pack that has the cards I want instead of gambling on booster boxes or scalping on ebay. That's huge.

madwookiee wrote:


You still end up buying a shitload of cards you don't really want or need though, just to get that one card.

AWESOME. Really looking forward to seeing what they do with it. Looks good from the preview, though having the card title under the picture is a bit impractical.