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Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 27 Apr 2014 13:16 #176704

I wanted to create a thread for all things Wings of War / Wings of Glory. I’ve been spending some time filling out my collection and attempting to inventory all I have, since I need to figure out what I have in duplicates and what I want to go after in trades and purchases. I have my listing of aircraft and the assorted big pieces all worked out, but it just became crazy to try to get a full inventory of all the smaller bits. I think I likely have more than anyone else here, so here’s my primary measure for my full set:

19.6 pounds.

I will gladly cede the title to anyone coming in larger than that. Note – doesn’t include box weight but does include the weight of my plastic carrying case, plus the weight of my Wings of War play mat, soon to be joined by three of the new Wings of Glory play mats which are days away from restocking in North America.

My cunning plan is to add some material to this thread over the next couple of weeks (and I think an article with WoW/G as a featured title is in the works too) but in the meantime anyone looking to talk up the game let me know. I’ll be at a gaming event this weekend with about 20 in attendance, and I may manage to get a big game on. If that’s the case photos will follow as well.

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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 27 Apr 2014 13:24 #176705

I dig this game, it's fast, straight-forward, and deadly. I have some WW2 stuff I might want to unload, I think I'm going to stick with WW1 and maybe strictly to cards only.
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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 27 Apr 2014 19:44 #176719

I have enough material to make a very solid cards-only set that I can use for easy travel. If I was still on airplanes that would likely be a useful option. But as it is I usually have a minivan behind my seat so my carrying case can make the trip no problem.

The World War II version is very good. It's much more intense and you spend more time down over your cards since you're selecting a movement every card-flip. It's the more versatile package and likely the reason Sails of Glory emulates it. But I personally prefer the World War I version with it's tick-tock feel to it, plan, execute, plan, execute. You make a longer prediction on how things will play out and then get to sit and watch your careful predictions pay big dividends (for somebody else if not you).

There's also something about the era that reaches out to me on a more personal level, the idea that you're flying in a glorified lawnmower with a thin layer of balsa wood between you and enemy bullets. I just feel more of that too-far-out-on-the-branch ping in my stomach and that adds to the feel of the game for me. Aircraft of the World War I era were of a level of simplicity that I almost feel like I could have built one myself. When you consider that the game really only emulates the second half of the war because the aircraft in the first half were too fragile to really play, it makes me feel more connected.

I read up on the Hanriot DH.1 today on the sideline between my boys' games.

It was a gift for my birthday yesterday and my son stuck it to me in its first outing with his Aviatik. But I like its flight characteristics and if we do fuel rules I'll get an advantage, as it had 2.5 hours of flight time in the tanks.


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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 28 Apr 2014 00:42 #176731

There is something that romantic about that era, the plane design and the guys that flew them. That's what lured me in at least.

What do you use for storage for the planes? I'd like something that can keep cards, base and plane together. Earlier you mentioned a Plano case you used but was no longer being made?
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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 28 Apr 2014 10:58 #176749

Funny you should ask this week, because I may be changing over to another storage container.

For the moment I'm in one of these --
Search on "Creative Options Grab'n Go" to see the details. Mine is a more stately blue and yellow, but the real detail is in how I have my stuff wedged into it. The top plano box holds cards on their side vertically, and it's cheek to jowl with them with Germans on one side and the Allies on the other. I have spare decks that are about to get removed to make room for more plane decks, since I'm starting to run out of room.

Currently you grab your plane and then find the matching "kit bag" from that top plano box. Base, four pegs, maneuver deck and one or two airplane cards are all in a single ziplock set, with a plane card facing each way in the bag to make them easier to find. It's simple to implement and quick to grab when you're setting up for a game.

The two plano boxes below hold the planes. I had to create my own separators for one of them, slotted cardboard strips that more or less give me the whole space to work with. The layout for the other is good to go, and I use muslin fabric as the padding above, below and between individual airplanes. The models are actually quite tough so this is sufficient, and with my wife being a quilter there's just tons of it around the house that I can grab and use at no additional cost.

The top section of the bucket is the real advantage. It's big enough to fit two of the Wings of War square boxes stacked and one of them has all my player consoles and measuring sticks top to bottom. I don't generally use the consoles but the kids do and I now have about twenty, plus about a dozen measuring sticks on top. The other box stores all the extra chits and bits. Beside that there's still room for boxes and bags of damage decks, my spare pegs, extra fabric for packing, etc.

Everything in one suitcase, about 35 planes now with all their decks plus all of the support material to play 35 people. The most I've hosted is 20, which used to be ugly because I didn't have enough damage decks and had to get other people to help out on tha count. But now I have six A decks and can dish out cards with plenty to spare. I did one big shuffle when I first assembled the decks, now I just add to the back in the box and pull from the front.

Added bonus is that all of them are old WoW decks, so if someone is playing on the same table and pulling from a different deck it's most likely a WoG deck and the two don't get comingled.

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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 16 May 2014 00:48 #178229

CoolStuffInc has their Spring Sale going on...WoG Wave 4 is about $7.50-8.00 per plane. Two seaters for that is killer! Basically I got the entire Wave 4 for $90 (11 planes). Except one Bristol F.2B that was out of stock and another that I bought at their regular discounted price (not on sale for some reason).

Blue Max is also on sale for $26. I almost pulled the trigger on that one as well, but in the end figured I'd have plenty to do with the 11 planes inbound.
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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 16 May 2014 07:00 #178238

I only have from I guess the first wave;

2x Fokkers
1x Albatross
2x Camels
2x Spads

I don't get to play very often so this is plenty for me. Would love to play in one of those 20+ plane games though.
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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 16 May 2014 07:47 #178241

We played two games of this last night in The Pit. 4 players, two planes each. One scenario found the allies escorting a wounded bomber, the second was a straight up dog fight. Still a great game.

I use the same storage as this guy:
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I've got three of them. One for the allies, one for the central powers, and one for the cards, tokens, rules, etc. They're thin, cheap, and offer plenty of protection. Perfect. I do arrange the planes a bit differently though. I've got their cards and bases next to the plane so you grab all of it in one go.
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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 16 May 2014 08:22 #178244

My current problem is that I don't really need German planes, and most of the planes available (that I don't have already) are German. I got an Italian Hanriot for my birthday and it has a great deck so I should get it a wingman, but I'd really like four or five more Entente planes.
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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 20 May 2014 20:38 #178530

Tonight I was at my son's martial arts class and a parent came up and asked me if I was the "Wings of Glory Guy". It caught me a little off guard as I had never met the guy before. But apparently his son was a friend of one of the kids in the education gaming group, and I had been fingered during a recent field trip. The guys kids had four airplanes and had been flying them for the last few weeks since their birthday. I was thinking I had sold about 20 airplanes locally across the various kids in the group, but this was the first I had heard of 2nd degree sales. The number may be higher than I thought.

I suppose there's better things to be locally famous for, but certainly worse as well.

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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 20 May 2014 20:56 #178533

Star Wars/Trek have pushed WoG out of all the local stores in my area except one (the more wargaming/trad game store). Glad to see you're carrying the torch.

I play it plenty, but not in public or with potential recruits. It's all converts.
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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 23 May 2014 09:24 #178752

Alright, so after having a conversation with Dogmatix about the price of storage containers, I decided to finally break down and take some snapshots of how I have my stuff arranged for transport. Below are photos that more or less cover 100% of my Wings of Glory WWI material, 30+ planes, decks for each, additional decks out the wazoo, damage decks, boards, sticks, rules, reference book for each aircraft, the works. Only thing missing is empty boxes in case I need to mail stuff off to people.

First, the container --



This is from JoAnn Fabrics, retails for about 50, but JoAnns has a permanent weekly 40% off coupon in their flyer and on occasion 50% off, so snuggle up to a woman in your life and go through her mail when she's not looking. That puts it at about $25 or $30.

Cracking it open shows four spaces for materials --



That top bucket is tall enough for two Wings of War starter boxes for reference. The lid is domed, so there's a butt-ton of space up top for various bits and pieces and I keep the more common game items up there. The WoW boxes contain the rules, home-printed rules and scenarios, a dozen measuring sticks and about 25 player mats which generally don't get used. These are the old WoW mats that are far more useful, my meager two WoG "mats" are ghettoized to the right side of the bucket so that they don't suggest their warping tendencies to the old ones. Aftermarket pegs, an old book that references each plane from the war with photos, two sets of A damage decks, one set of two and one set of four (the brown box) fully shuffled into each other for big sessions with 20+ airplanes. Needless to say they work equally well for small battles too. I have spare fabric in the bucket as well, which you'll see used in the images below.




The top of the image shows the top Plano box opened. Unfortunately there's a bit of a glare, but the box holds card decks upright, in ziplocks, damn near perfectly. The top half of the box is ALL the support cards for the game save for my six A damage decks. Three B decks, two C, two D (I think 2). Bomb cards, target cards, extra maneuver decks that didn't come with planes (getting to be quite a lot now with my recent pickup of five WoW starter boxes), the works. The bottom half is the quick-deployment-kits for the models, base, pegs, card deck, and two cards showing the plane, one facing out on each side so that a deck is never upside-down when you're handling them. Central Powers on the left, Entente on the Right. I pull the entire set and fan them on the table at playtime. Each has an image of the plane facing up so it's quick to grab what you need. The bottom of the image shows one of two Plano boxes for model storage, with the top fabric in place. Fabric underneath the models and above protects and holds them in place. It's very soft, non-linty, very malleable so it wraps itself around the models. I'm sure there's a name for it but I ask my wife for "the fluffy fabric" and she brings me a yard out of her extensive reserve. Color of the fabric matches the army underneath.

The second Plano box cracked open --



With the fabric lifted off you can see the models underneath, carefully angled and spaced to prevent them banging into each other. With the fabric on top they don't move appreciably, though I've never had a "big" drop of the box. It certainly does get carted around though. As I said above, fabric color indicates army, and I'd like to just take a moment to point out that damn, that red Albatross in the corner is just one fine looking airplane. Super-rich color.

Next is the "other" Plano box, the less useful one, cracked open --



Given the choice I would have a second Plano like the one prior to this, but I can't figure out a way to get one short of buying another one of these big containers. It has a plano number on it and plano's url for contact, but when I contacted them they couldn't find the number in their catalog, leading me to believe it was a one-off build for this company that created the case. After getting pissed off about not being able to find another container with dividers in it I got out my band saw and an old Amazon shipping box and made my own. Not exactly the Ritz, but it does the job and I suddenly have room for an additional twelve airplanes without even squeezing too hard. A few spare decks in the sides because it's easier than keeping them in the top bucket of the container. A lot of the card decks I carry are largely chaff, though it never hurts to keep them in case a deck is lost of damaged. I should park them in the garage though and likely will once space dictates the need.

I think my total cost for storage is $35 or so, the big container plus the cost of the fabric which is minimal. That's 31 planes, all game components including a metric butt-ton or redundancy, six A damage decks and dupes of the other three, printed scenarios, a book on aircraft history, spare pegs in two colors, the works. I'm at about a dollar a player for long-term storage.

This will go into a Blog Post today as well to give it a little more visibility, feel free to comment in either location. I finally got this done, now I can just point people to it when they ask!

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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 23 May 2014 13:24 #178778

Wow...good job!

My solution doesn't hold nearly as many planes, but I do like that it forces me to make do with 'smaller' fleets. If I want to bring in more planes, I'll have to trade or sell some out. I don't mind...I still have plenty to have large engagements with.

Anyway, these cost about $15 each and have the 'pluck' squares so you customize the foam. One for each side and a third for the rules, dashboards, bombers, cards, chits, etc. Notice, each plane's base and cards are right next to it for easy grab and go. For the center box with the bomber, I cut half of the foam in half so it could hold my chit tray on top of the cards. It all fits, and this arrangement has enabled the fasted set-up and tear down of any minis game I've ever stored.





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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 31 May 2014 22:50 #179476

Today the wife and I were walking around Hobby Lobby and this thread made me think I needed to find some sort of storage solution for my WoG stuff. I do like the divided trays and some foam but all of the divided trays were just too small for the planes...Until I found this one today. They looked big enough so I snagged one and some foam padding over by the sewing department and here's the results...I cut the names off the side of the box and scotch taped them to the compartments. The only downside is they are too small for the Bristol two-seater, but on the plus side it does fit a wave and a half snugly.


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Re: Wings of War / Wings of Glory Support Group 02 Jun 2014 13:35 #179566

Just caught up on Ludology, the podcast hosted by our fellow F:AT Geoff Englestein. (ludology.libsyn.com/) In episode 80 Geoff put Wings of War high on his list for "most influential in the 21st century" and at number 3 no less. His associate was more than a bit surprised from the sound of it.

I'm trying to decide if "most influential" is something I would have gone with, but now that FFG is turning it into a major license-able product it's starting to work that side of the plate. Time will tell. I think FFG has paved the way for anyone to use the mechanic any way they see fit. FFG cited prior art, but Wings of War was the game showed that there's money to be made with it.

What I do think it doesn't get enough credit for is how tightly and comfortably bound its thematic and mechanical elements are. The World War I version in particular works exceptionally well on table top without breaking the fundamental rules of the reality it's based on. I think it leaves some ground behind -- firing arcs could (and I think should) vary more by aircraft and it doesn't count bullets or gallons in the rules as written. But what it does go after it does very well with, a great abstraction of the reality it's based upon.

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