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Batman Kickstarter (w/discussion of FOMO sales method)
Shellhead wrote: The Knight Models Batman game looks amazing, but the prices are astounding and the rulebook is apparently terrible. The game mechanics sound okay, but learning them would be a pain. I'm surprised that people are suggesting that would be a better choice than this game.
It's not a Kickstarter so it's automatically good and no one's going to shit on it.
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Sagrilarus wrote: C'mon guys, don't buy their BS about being so strapped for cash. They have a butt-ton of margin on this thing, more-so because they won't have any idle stock when it's over. They have complete control of their margin and they sure ain't passing any savings on to you. Their justification for keeping all the money for themselves is . . . keeping all the money for themselves. I don't blame them, to me that seems like the perfect business model for board gaming. But what they wrote at the end of that 12 foot long kickstarter page about being so over a barrel for money is just out and out lying.
It doesn't hurt that it gets the scare up even more.
Oh I'm aware, but I was trying to counter their argument on face.
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Mr. White wrote: Unfortunately, I doubt you'll find this game sans minis in the aftermarket to use your wooden disc system with.
You're right though. Without any necessary 3d element to game around, all of these _could_ be tokens, chits, or standees. Are the minis worth $300?
The game is *only* $140 -- the $320 is if you want all of the expansions too. It may be that you feel that you have to have them, but that starts to speak more to completionism than a more fair comparison of $140 game vs. other games that are similarly priced.
For $140 you are getting
76 minis in the base game
42 minis from the stretch goals (so far)
I am sure that will go up quite a bit, so you are probably looking at 150 minis or so for $140 dollars -- less than a dollar a mini, plus whatever the gameplay. If it is only a reskinned Conan with some tweeks, then that is pretty good because that is a damn fine game. We need to get some Victorian fainting couches in the F:AT lounge so we can wheel them out when a new kickstarter goes up.
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$140 gets you the base game, including 76 minis. ($1.84 per mini)
$320 gets you the base game plus the expansions, plus all the stretch goals (all have been met), which includes a total of 224 minis. ($1.43 per mini)
Come to think of it, if I go for this, I might as well go all in, because it would only cost me $55 more to get all the stretch goals plus the two expansions that didn't seem worth it when priced as add-ons to the base game.
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Star Wars > Batman
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Obviously, the all or nothing sales model really turns me off as well, but if that's what's making them sales it's their right; they paid for the license after all. I guess i just wish someone else had gotten the license and had marketed their game through more traditional (old fashioned?) means. The point made above about Imperial Assault was spot on; there's no bigger license than Star Wars, period. There's not a chance FFG would roll out a $350 all inclusive game system.
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Gary Sax wrote: That Batmobile expansion looks especially dire. The rest looks pretty full featured, I'm not as down on it as you guys.
I mean, fuck, I have a preorder in with MMP for like 200+ dollars for two simultaneously printed Greats Campaigns of the American Civil War games. I can't pretend I'm that discerning.
The difference being:
MMP isn't trying to scare you into prepaying a fucking year in advance because they claim it will never be sold at retail.
In your case, the games are much more of a known quantity since they are essentially a reprint of an existing series. Yeah I know this Batman game is based on CONAN, but who the fuck knows what the gameplay will actually be like.
Fuck this shit.
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jay718 wrote: My biggest question is how much actual game can there be in the $140 less shipping base game when there are only two double sided boards included? Seemsmlike there can't be a whole hell of a lot of variety in the scenarios. There are waaay more minis than there are game board spaces to play them on. Unless those scenarios are insanely compelling, it seems like this could get boring fast.
That's a great point. With the first two expansions, you pick up four more double-sided boards, but that's still pretty light.
Another concern that I have is if the various villains play very differently, or end up being minor variations of each other.
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I was beating this KS hype drum for a while now.
I'm one of the deplorables that Michael Barnes dismisses.
I'm all in.
Monolith is gonna get $320 from me. Plus shipping.
I love playing in IPs. IPs with resonance and history are even better.
Conan was around before me. Conan will be around after me. I love sword and sorcery. I love Conan.
Batman was around before me. Batman will be around after me. I love the Detective Comics. I love the Dark Knight.
Also,
I love Cthulhu. Cthulhu is a constant.
I love Spartacus. Spartacus is a constant.
If the IP has a rich literary source, so much the better. Batman may be a comic, but it's had it's fair share of talented writers over the decades. I like to re-read Howard, and Lovecraft. Spartacus is certainly tied to a TV show (which was goofy and gory fun), but I do adore the Douglas film and I just read the Howard Fast bio.
Monolith made a very good game called Conan. I've already discussed it's hiccups and my lingering frustrations. Those frustrations have either been addressed, or I'm just being a whiney completion-ist. I'm not losing sleep over not being able to buy a dragon.
Monolith made another very good game (partnered with Mythic Games) called Mythic Battles. Mythic Battles is fucking GREEK. Greek myth ain't going anywhere, it's very fun to read, and it's nice to see some quality components reflect the source material. Mythic Battles is like Advanced Heroscape (except, Greek).
Monolith also partnered with Mythic Games to make Joan of Arc. I know less of this game. It looks neat as hell, but Joan of Arc doesn't capture me like a pissed off vigilante.
My Monolith point; they've a growing company learning from a few early missteps. Their product has been top notch quality in my eyes. I like the properties they choose to develop into games. Their next property interests me less (another Howard character), but I'll still give it a thorough once-over. After the Howard title? They'll be tackling a new edition of Claustrophobia. Sign me up!
Batman is a steep price, but I find the value reasonable and I suspect it will be even better before the KS closes. Batman was the darling of Gencon last summer. People were sitting down and playing Batman. I couldn't play it because it was always full. Fortunately, I'm tall. I just lurched over onlookers and watching for several minutes. I saw enough Conan mechanics to make me stoked for a Batman version.
That the game could/should/will be a "Kickstarter Exclusive" is even MORE appealing to me. I'm too old to get into the arms race for the next expansion, the power creep, and the ever changing meta. That my pledge is going to be an all inclusive "here ya go!" system is pretty refreshing. If it's anything like Conan, Monolith will have their printed scenarios and then start hosting fan made ones. There's plenty of content to recreate a lot of storylines.
The content also looks fun as hell to paint.
No regrets! All FAT:ties are welcome to my DC crib to play Conan, Cthulhu, or Batman. If Michael shows up, I'll break out Cosmic Encounter.
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drewcula wrote: Their next property interests me less (another Howard character), but I'll still give it a thorough once-over.
What character is this?
Link? (the url not nintendo character...)
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Scenario balance, that’s a different story. Definitely the weakest aspect of Conan.
The villain point is probably valid. Why in the fuck is Riddler in this game? What could you possibly do with Riddler that would have any personality? It’s not impossible, the TMNT game *nailed* the personalities of its characters, but it also had more cards and oodles of text on the cards. Conan doesn’t have that, and adding it would likely result in it being unwieldy.
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