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How is Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage?
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I guess it also contains Hamilcar, which I've never heard of.
Thoughts?
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Hamilcar is the vaporware expansion that Valley put up for preorder before their collapse.
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However, it is a game that may be impacted negatively by the games that it inspired. If you look at games like Twilight Struggle, the COIN stuff, War of the Ring, etc. Hannibal feels sort of old timey and not quite up to that level. But it's a formative game, an important one, and it is still definitely worth playing today.
I kind of prefer We the People to it, to be honest, but Hannibal is probably the one most folks would like the best.
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Thanks for the opinions. And now to hijack my own thread.
Another game I've been looking at is Sekigahara. I've seen it mentioned here a few time but otherwise haven't heard much about it.
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Disgustipater wrote:
Another game I've been looking at is Sekigahara. I've seen it mentioned here a few time but otherwise haven't heard much about it.
Our very own Metalface13 was a playtester, I believe.
You might also check out this Scythe variant: boardgamegeek.com/thread/1750515/scythe-...-little-pony-edition
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Sekigahara, OTOH, can look deceptively simple and look like there's only one real path to victory for either side, at first. But that's not the case. The game is actually pretty elegant and little choices or a couple die rolls can have massive ramifications a turn or two down the road. If you like this style of wargame and/or the period of Japanese history, I'd highly recommend it.
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Sekigahara is much more compact and workable and generally it's a lot of fun. It's almost all about bluff. It can screw you over if you keep drawing bad cards that don't match the blocks you want to attack or defend with but again, a good poker face can brave it out sometimes. And it takes two hours or less to play so if you do get a bum game, just re-rack and try again.
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While I agree that the Battle Card system can be swingy, I think a stronger force sometimes needs to know when to back off - i.e. Withdraw from Battle when they have a shit hand.
And Sekigehara can be just as swingy - your opponent attacks and you have zero cards for the troops in play - last time I played I saw four blocks get annihilated for zero loss to the other side.
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Even then, you only throw one die in Washington's War so gravitated back to block games were you get to throw handfuls!
I also played Sekigahara once...wasn't a fan. Again, no dice resolution for combat, but it felt pretty dry and almost abstract. Now, I understand it isn't abstract, and I don't mind some games that others feel are really dressed up abstracts (TITAN & Manoeuvre - which at least names the units....), but the combination of feeling abstract and no dice meant....no dice for me.
For me, both of these games were killed because of their combat resolution. There may not be as much weight on that one category for you though.
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Unicron wrote: IThis is the Second Punic War, so a CRT probably isn't going to give you a result like the Battle of Cannae.
No, indeed. And more: it makes battle into a frightening, tense, tactical affair rather than just a dice roll and a lookup. In many respects it's great.
In my very first game of Hannibal, playing against a much more experienced player, I took one of my starting Roman generals to the foothills of the Alps, to meet Hannibal coming down. This is madness: a risk no-one but a first time player would take. But the cards landed in my favour, and I won. Because Hannibal had no retreat path he, and his entire army, died. My opponent resigned and we re-racked.
And there's the thing. I've played the game maybe 20 times and I've seen a Cannae happen - sometimes more than once - in maybe a third of them, to one side or the other. In a significant amount of those games it was game-deciding. That frequency, and that level of impact, is not historical. For all its positives, it is simply too easy to face a weaker force and get annihilated for your troubles.
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