Let's Talk The Cube Tower (Shogun/Wallenstein)

True, I'm usually the one warmonger on a table of peacenicks.

Chapel wrote: Don't forget the "Cosmic Hockey puck" from Andromeda. Which is much eviler than the Tower of Shogun

Aslo there is a third game the Shogun tower is used. A game called Im Zeichen des Kreuzes

Never heard of Im Zeichen des Kreuzes, did it ever come out in the US? Was it prior to Wallenstein?

Mr. White wrote:
Never heard of Im Zeichen des Kreuzes, did it ever come out in the US? Was it prior to Wallenstein?

It came out just prior to Wallenstein. I've not played it yet, but you may ask Barnes, as he's owned it and played it.

Does Shogun play well with 3?

Anyone tried Amerigo? Its use of the cube tower sounds kind of neat -- reminiscent of the action dice pool in War of the Ring. But I don't trust Stefan Feld to make a game that's fun.

Mr. White wrote: Does Shogun play well with 3?

Yes.

Ska_baron wrote: Was about to say the same thing, Doctor. Like many DoaMs, it's all about the group playing. Rivers run red when FAtties play.

Haha, I thought the same thing. There are 10 battles a fucking turn in those F:AT games. Good lord. How else do you take someone's stuff? What are people even doing? Do they stack the deck for Church Peace every round?

Im Zeichen des Kruzes is pretty good, it used the tower before Wallenstein- but it is literally the exact same tower, and in fact the game comes in a box the same size as Wallenstein and with the same insert tray. Queen apparently wanted to do two games packaged the same way like that.

IZdK isn't nearly as good as Wallenstein, but it's pretty good. Everybody takes on the role of a crusade (if you can take on that kind of role). Each Crusade is represented by a wooden shield piece. You have to actually get to the Holy Land to duke it out with Saladin and his people, which means you have to make your way through Europe and across the Mediterranian to get there. Along the way, you might recruit troops, pillage treasures or burn down the places you visit. Seriously. This game really captures that crusaders were really just a bunch of marauding brigands. Battles, are of course, throwing cubes into the tower. There really isn't any PVP.

It's more of race. Because when you get to Jerusalem, you have to lay siege and win a bunch of battles there. It's kind of an endurance test at the end. Pretty fun. There's lot of event cards and so forth that randomly fuck with you, so it's obviously not some kind of head-down strategy game or anything like that. If I recall correctly, you moved with card activations.

Never released in English, my copy had old timey paste-ups on all the cards and the rules translation didn't make sense. I sold it for a lot, I think like $100...but this was maybe 10 years ago, I don't remember.

Strikes me now as the kind of game that could be touched up and revised a bit for a new edition. But it is kind of not-PC, what with all the looting and fighting Muslims.