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Grudunza wrote: Mr. White, I had the same thought, initially... Why wouldn't Rey believe all that happened, when she makes her living (apparently) scavenging the ships from that era? But the difference is the religious/magical aspect of what happened... People will (and should) always be skeptical of that kind of thing, and the faith-promoting stories and such. What did Han say originally about hokey religions and ancient weapons? Well, now he's seen it firsthand, so he's a believer. But I can see the younger generation being wary of the old-timers' war stories about the guys who could move things with their minds.
I've never seen a nuclear bomb explode, much less even seen one, but two generations ago they were used. There's plenty of footage about it and thousands of lives were impacted. I don't doubt they are around and have been used.
This is a similar time frame. It looks to be two generations away from the Clone Wars. There's no footage of this epic conflict and all the light saber wielding weirdos that were involved? Where are the families who's children were pulled away for jedi academy? They don't talk about how 'grandpa/ma' was a force user? Han has _never_ come across a smuggler who had some artifact or tale from the Clone Wars?
I don't know. Sure it's just a film, but the fact that within its own universe the characters act all skeptical about force users feels illogical.
It reminds me of that Crystal Skull movie. Here, Indiana Jones has experienced some crazy f'n things. Yet, his expression at every turn of Crystal Skull is that he can't believe what he's seeing/reading could possibly exist. Really? It doesn't seem logical for the character to have those expressions after experiencing souls melting faces and thousand year old ghost knights.
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BTW- this is a HUGE spoiler that made me extra happy-
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This is his cinematic career coming full circle. He once played a seminal character on the silver screen, then was ignored by the industry. I know he did some cartoons, videogames, and other tomfoolery, but Hollywood didn't really seem to give him another chance.
Now, here he is. His twilight years right in front of him and he's going to be ruling the box office with the character folks would joke about.
Pretty cool to witness and I actually feel this is quite touching in a way, but I'm pretty sentimental.
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Mr. White wrote: This is a similar time frame. It looks to be two generations away from the Clone Wars. There's no footage of this epic conflict and all the light saber wielding weirdos that were involved? Where are the families who's children were pulled away for jedi academy? They don't talk about how 'grandpa/ma' was a force user? Han has _never_ come across a smuggler who had some artifact or tale from the Clone Wars?
I think Han's skepticism in "A New Hope" was aimed at the Force itself, not at the Jedi. That seems reasonable to me. He's not questioning whether there were Jedi (obviously there were, and this is a historical "fact" in his world). He's questioning the Force. It's like saying, "Yes, we have priests. But is there really a God?"
Obviously this movie is stuck doing a "passing the baton" narrative. Probably no way around that. Are any of the original actors signed on for any additional movies beyond this one? I just hope it's better than "Star Trek: Generations," and that Luke doesn't die by falling off a bridge like Kirk did.
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Mr. White wrote: This is a similar time frame. It looks to be two generations away from the Clone Wars. There's no footage of this epic conflict and all the light saber wielding weirdos that were involved? Where are the families who's children were pulled away for jedi academy? They don't talk about how 'grandpa/ma' was a force user? Han has _never_ come across a smuggler who had some artifact or tale from the Clone Wars?
I think Han's skepticism in "A New Hope" was aimed at the Force itself, not at the Jedi. That seems reasonable to me. He's not questioning whether there were Jedi (obviously there were, and this is a historical "fact" in his world). He's questioning the Force. It's like saying, "Yes, we have priests. But is there really a God?"
Maybe. And this is a decent argument, but there's a big difference between a jedi and a priest. A priest is someone who believes (or claims they do) in a higher power and sets out to spread this belief. No powers necessary, but faith is. Conversely, Jedi are individuals who after being scanned or sensed to have the force/midichlorians are plucked from their home at an early age to learn how to deal with this latent power. Faith isn't required, but powers are.
So, if Han knows there are Jedi...what does he think they are, simple cops? Doubtful. Again, particularly if he's any decent smuggler he would have picked up that the jedi are way more than The Order would have people to believe. But there again, do we even know if there was any sort of coverup by The Order as to the jedi having powers? Those Trade Federation guys in Phantom Menace seemed to know jedi had real powers and were rightfully afraid.
It seems common knowledge that a jedi is someone who can use the force. How could all knowledge of this disappear in one generation (Han and Luke's)?
Also, Han dismiss 'ancient weapons'. Again, he came across no jedi style weapons or stories in his travels? I don't buy it.
In my mind, this is another reason why A New Hope really works on its own and remains the best SW film as far as I'm concerned. Without any sort of other viewer knowledge I filled in the gaps that the Clone Wars were like a battle and, sure it could have happened far away. Obi-Wan is now in hiding on a remote desert planet, so maybe no one knows anything about jedi here....
...but in the prequels we find out that's not the case. Tattoine (sp?) definitely isn't remote...everyone seems to have business there. The Clone Wars spanned what appears to be the known universe and everyone is involved. Hell, Chewbacca was involved! He could have told Han about hanging out with Yoda...damn!
Also, Han has had dealings with Boba Fett, who clearly has first hand experience with force using jedi...
Doesn't make sense.
Woah, getting nerdy up in here...
EDIT: My beef isn't with jedi, but how they are handled within the SW universe. Han in the OT ,and these characters seem to be skeptical, when there is plenty of evidence that they shouldn't be. If jedi were handled like 'jedi? pssshh....they were wiped out by the empire' - Han, or "Oh, shit! they're back" - Finn/Rey/whoever, I'd feel the characters would be behaving more honestly. But what do I know... I'm not writing or producing a billion dollar film franchise, but chatting them up on forums when i should be working...
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Another reason The Clone Wars is one of the best Star Wars properties---they rarely reuse locations except the capitol.
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I've never seen a nuclear bomb explode, much less even seen one, but two generations ago they were used. There's plenty of footage about it and thousands of lives were impacted. I don't doubt they are around and have been used.
I think Han is saying that The Force is true, not the battle. Washington Post quotes it as "It’s true. All of it. The Dark Side. The Jedi. They’re real."
Frankly, The Force didn't really have much to do with anything in the final battle. It was good viewing, but let's face it, Darth's and Luke's family squabble in Return of the Jedi didn't make any difference in the battle. Had it not happened both of them would have just blowed up a few minutes later. The battle was won by good old fashioned troops. Given that no one believed in The Force before the battle, it makes sense virtually no one still does. I've seen six movies about it and I think it's bullshit, just camera tricks and special effects.
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The other thing that intrigues me is that Poe Dameron gets a lot of screen time in the trailers (which makes sense as he is supposed to be the Han Solo like character) but we never see him with any of the other hero characters in the trailers (apart from briefly bumping into Finn).
They also said that we don't know both Finn and Rey's surnames for a reason. Everyone suspects Rey is Han and Leia's daughter, but could Finn be a Calrissian or Windu (outside chance of Fett given he is a stormtrooper, but Finn Fett sounds stupid)? Or maybe I am being blinded by colour and he is Luke's son (or maybe his surname could be Organa, Mothma, Darklighter, Lars, Antilles, Naberrie, Porkins, Ackbar or Nunb).
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I think Andy Serkis and Max Von Sydow are going to be the big heavies...I believe it was stated that Serkis is the despotic leader of the First Order. Maybe Sydow is affiliated with the Knights of Ren? A Sith lord? Domnhall Gleeson appears to be a Moff or something.
C3PO has been very briefly seen...with a red arm. Note that they are in the middle of the poster, which is significant because the intent was always for them to be sort of the central characters observing the events of the overarching story.
I can't sort out how Poe figures into anything...and now, why he winds up in a torture situation.
When I was a the Disney store in Times Square last week, I saw no less than three different boys trying on and buying the Captain Phasma costume. Boy will they be surprised.
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I presume that is just in the photo and not in the trailers as I have watched all of them many times and would assume I would have spotted him. I keep staring at his face in the poster, trying to work out what is wrong with his mouth, as in the red arm photo his face looks normal, so assume that it is just a trick of the light in the poster.Michael Barnes wrote: C3PO has been very briefly seen...with a red arm. Note that they are in the middle of the poster, which is significant because the intent was always for them to be sort of the central characters observing the events of the overarching story.
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