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Trashfest 2008 background
Last August I attended WBC and ended up playing a bunch of great Trash with my sister Ubarose and my brother in-law Al. You can read about the experience in Ubarose’s post “Fear and Loathing in Lancaster.” That same weekend I met Malloc and played Ti3 for the first time. For me playing Ti3 for the first time was kind of like how the Beatles felt doing acid for the first time. One day I was playing bubblegum pop Euro games and the next day I was playing freak’n great Ameritrash games. The next week I went to one of my regular GCOM game nights and two of the guys who run Euroquest asked me to GM Caylus at Euroquest. I started to think why couldn’t we have an Ameritrash convention similar to Euroquest. There’s a bunch of great Ameritrash games but no convention to get people together to play these games.
The first post about Trashfest was on BGG on August 25, 2007 www.boardgamegeek.com/article/1684748#1684748 with this post we started kicking the idea around what games we should have a Trashfest. The list of possible games got pretty big pretty fast. Originally, we were going to limit the number of games to be included in Trashfest to about 10 games. But I hated to tell somebody that Nexus Ops would be included in Trashfest but Dune wouldn’t be. We needed some structure, demos and timing for games or we might as well just make this open gaming. Open gaming is great but people also needed to know that if they came on May 2nd at 7:00 PM there would be a bunch of people to play Arkham Horror with. In the end we ended up with a great balance of open gaming and structured gaming.
Next Post – The feature games. Why we selected the games we selected.
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Class 1 games
Time: 30 to 60 minutes
Scoring = 1 x # of players = Trash Points
Rock Em Sock Em Robots, Ca$h 'n Gun$*, Family Business, Last Night on Earth*, Mall of Horror. Wings of War, Mordred, Battleball, Star Wars Epic Battles, Colossus Arena, Kung Fu Fighting, Survive, Nuke War, Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation, Caveman, Duel in the Dark, Dungeon Twister, Space Hulk, Mall of Horror, 300 the Board Game, Betrayal at the house on the hill, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Class 2 games
Time: 60 to 180 min.
Scoring: 2 x # of players = Trash Point
Gangsters*, Monsters Menace America, Stock Car Racing Game*, Robo Rally*, Nexus Ops, Life Boats, Tide of Iron, Battlelore*, Memoir 44, Battle Cry, Risk, Buck Rogers, Return of Heroes, Bootleggers, Risk – any version, Twilight Struggles, Making of the President, Bootleggers, I’m the Boss, Railroad Tycoon, Merchant of Venus, Dust, Monopoly, Star Wars Queens Gambit, Wizard Quest, War on Terror, Zombies, Circus Maximus, Mall of Horror, Tales of Arabian Knights
Class 3 games
Time: 3 to 6 hours
Scoring: 3 x # of players = Trash Points
Fury of Dracula*, Axis&Allies, Fortress America, Samurai Swords, Warrior Knights*, War of the Ring, Talisman, Prophecy*, Star Craft*, World of Warcraft, Dune, History of the World, Origins, Republic of Rome, Britannia, Titan, Runebound, Magic Realm, War of the Ring, A Game of Thrones, Descent, Doom
Class 4 games
Time 6 hours or more
Scoring: 4 x # of player = Trash Points
Diplomacy, Twilight Imperium*, Age of Renaissance and Civilization*
Cooperative Games:
Time: 30 - 480 minutes
Scoring = Shared Trash Points:
Arkham Horror (4)*, Werewolf (1)*. Pandemic (2), Shadow over Camelot (2)
Euros not AT
Scoring = -1 Trash Points * # of player (-2 points if the game includes farm animals or royal favors)
Agricola, Caylus, Puerto Rico, Settlers, Carcassonne, GOA, Age of Steam, Power Grid, RA, Amun Re, etc.
Lose 2 Points for complaining about die rolls, randomness or rules. Lose 0 points for complaining about the smell in the wargamers room.
*Featured Games
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Also, should we include Waros and Hybrids??? Wallenstein, Imperial, Antika, Struggle of Empires, Mare Nostrum, Shogun, Parthenon, The End of the Triumvirate, Fire & Axe
I vote no.
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And what about Talisman? Especially 2nd edition with a few expansions. . .
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Is Mare Nostrum a hybrid or AT all the way? I don't know much about it.
Also I think you missed an asterisk on Fury of Dracula.
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I also think its one think to include Rock Em Sock Em Robots and Werewolf which aren’t really Ameritrash board games but will only get people 1 trash point, act as a break from a heavy game like Ti3 and take 30 minutes or less. It’s a different story about including Imperial or Age of Empires III which could potentially get people 15 Trash Points, take 2 or more hours to play and take people away from the purpose of Trashfest which is to play some real Trash.
The only Waro / Hybid, I’m leaning on including and maybe it’s because I’m a Wallace homie is Struggle of Empires. I think the only thing Struggle of Empires lacks is cool plastic cannons and ships.
Fury of Dracula is now corrected. I've moved it to cooperative scoring last night before posting this. This gives everyone 3 points for playing the game. As a competitive game Dracula would get 12 points and Hunter 1 point if Dracula wins and Dracula would get 1 point and Hunter 4 points each if the Hunters won. As the GM, IguanaDitty how do you feel about this change? We'd use the same scoring for Buffy, Descent and Doom.
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My overall philosophy is to go slightly broader on the classification of games for Trashfest.
Well, you're the boss, but I would go narrower. One of the arguments that our detractors have been using is that Ameritrash isn't really a genre. It's just a list of games that we like.
I say keep it tight. Keep it real.
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As a competitive game Dracula would get 12 points and Hunter 1 point if Dracula wins and Dracula would get 1 point and Hunter 4 points each if the Hunters won.
I'm not too good at scoring systems. This seems fine to me. I guess if we were worried about people gaming the system to win prizes it would be something to obsess over...maybe we could split the prizes into disciples of the short-game vs masters of the long-game, ie people who got the majority of points from the shorter games would get a different prize pool or something. But that seems overly complicated, really.
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I've never played Tales of Arbian Nights what's the deal. Is there winners and losers?
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As a competitive game Dracula would get 12 points and Hunter 1 point if Dracula wins and Dracula would get 1 point and Hunter 4 points each if the Hunters won.
I'm not too good at scoring systems. This seems fine to me. I guess if we were worried about people gaming the system to win prizes it would be something to obsess over...maybe we could split the prizes into disciples of the short-game vs masters of the long-game, ie people who got the majority of points from the shorter games would get a different prize pool or something. But that seems overly complicated, really.
Yeah, I managed to write exactly the opposite of what I meant. The cooperative score seems fine to me is what I meant to say.
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Also, Zev is tweaking the rules, so the new version is will probably be a bit different from the original.
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Thanks, I've made the corrections and moved Fury, Buffy, Doom, etc back into the competitive category.Kick the shit is correct, for all of those games. Except I don't know anything about Tales.
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