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VideoDome! Jackson's Middle Earth vs Lucas' Star Wars
Agree that the prequels both nullify each other. Though the Clone Wars cartoon by Gennedy Tartakovsky almost redeems all the Stars Wars prequels. My love of both of the universes is bound far beyond their films. I have spent far more time with these two franchises than any other books/movies/games/media in the rest of my life.
But as movies, Star Wars has to take it, because they built the foundation for the SW expanded universe. (Still sad Expanded Universe got dropped from canon.) I love all of the SW OT equally. Empire Strikes Back is an incredible movie; the final hour of Return of the Jedi is so good. I have never watched as believable and thrilling a space battle as that. And the first Star Wars is just fantastic as a pop film.
LOTR is a great version of the books, but it's still just evoking the original tale.
Gosh darnit, I love 'em both so much.
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Overwhelming vote for LotR
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Jur wrote: And two virgin births is two too many for me.
Leave the Roman Catholics out of this please.
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STAR WARS is a lived in, soulful world of rogues, grit, and adventure.
I am allowed to ignore the bad shit, otherwise I would have to include the prequels and the interminable end sequences and THREE FUCKING MOVIES OH MY GOD.
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VOTE: Star Wars
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Legomancer wrote: you people who think ESB is the best of the series are adorable
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The notion being bandied about that the SW prequels are equal to the Hobbit prequels I won't even entertain. In fact I think people make the comparison knowing it's wrong headed and insane just to try and make a point (disingenuous is probably the word I'm looking for). The differences between the Hobbit and LOTR are very minor. The films looks and feel almost identical. The SW series have almost nothing in common. People fight completely different, it's damn jarring even if you did like the prequels. Plus if you watch one of them the other is ruined because of the whole either knowing who Vader is or who Anakin becomes. So they don't work as a team.
In almost every way SW's two series are much worse than Jacksons middle earth tales.
However... I give huge props to the fact that Lucas's world did not exist before... Jackson just copied some books and played in some one else's mythology. He changed some things around and what not but the bulk of the work was already done when he arrived on the scene. SW is a whole new mythology and even though it fails in every other category as far as making two film sets that work together.. (SW fails miserably at that one, dislike the Hobbit all you want you have to admit it's at least consistent with LOTR) it's still a new IP and that means a lot to me.
I think that as creations from the ether SW is better and more important, as a series of six films that tell of cohesive story, Jackson's Middle Earth is much better.
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bfkiller wrote: Yeah, but Star Wars.
Honestly, that is the best argument the SW fans have for their six films and I am not saying this half heartedly, I fully believe that it is a decent argument.
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Josh Look wrote: Vote: Star Wars
The Star Wars movies aren't short, but they're aren't too long either. Also, Han Solo.
Didn't Han show up right at the end of the battle of Helm's Deep to help Aragorn win? Ugh, I'm so confused.
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I'm gonna get some nutters from Parkhurst, dressed as yetis.....
Because of this, and this alone, Star Wars wins.
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* Cultural impact: LotR's was significant but ephemeral; the Hobbit trilogy had almost none to begin with and less over time. Star Wars helped change an industry; SW7 will likely be talked about ceaselessly for the next year.
* High points: Pound for pound, Star Wars and Empire outshine Fellowship and Two Towers (though both pairs are impressive achievements).
* Low points: Star Wars' lows are shallower. Combined, the prequels are about a decent movie or a decent movie-and-a-half. The Hobbit is largely a betrayal of its source material. What's more, as noted above, the SW prequels did, if nothing else, beget decent expanded-universe material that helped preserve the franchise's viability.
* Originality: Jackson is building off of (sometimes enhancing, sometimes twisting) Tolkein, a well-regarded writer. Star Wars is an original (albeit in many respects not that "original" of a) universe.
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