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I'll probably watch it just because it's a concept I never thought would make it to film. For now though, I'm reserving judgement.
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A lot of people seem excited about Leto's Joker, but I think they blew it simply with the dialogue. Why would the Joker, of all people, talk about how he's going to hurt you? The reason that crazy people are crazy is that they don't think they're crazy. That's what makes them crazy. If he's already talking about being into pain or homicidal or whatever, he's losing the element of surprise and irrationality that defines the character. Heath Ledger's Joker didn't announce himself as crazy or violent. He seemed perfectly rational a lot of the time, but he killed people at a whim, which made him startling and spooky. Conversely, Steve Engelhart's Joker was a total loon, but he didn't seem violent at all... until he was. With that one line, they've taken a shortcut that robs the audience of making their own realization and lost the essence of the character (i.e. they still don't know what the fuck they're doing; just like with their comics.)
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Jackwraith wrote: Why exactly would these people choose to work for the woman who is their warden?
In the Justice League animated series the team takes the job because they are all locked up for life or on death row. The U.S. government approaches them with the opportunity to work off the sentences in return for service. Pretty simple and it works but we'll see if the movie takes the same approach.
Jackwraith wrote: A lot of people seem excited about Leto's Joker, but I think they blew it simply with the dialogue. Why would the Joker, of all people, talk about how he's going to hurt you? The reason that crazy people are crazy is that they don't think they're crazy. That's what makes them crazy. If he's already talking about being into pain or homicidal or whatever, he's losing the element of surprise and irrationality that defines the character. Heath Ledger's Joker didn't announce himself as crazy or violent. He seemed perfectly rational a lot of the time, but he killed people at a whim, which made him startling and spooky. Conversely, Steve Engelhart's Joker was a total loon, but he didn't seem violent at all... until he was. With that one line, they've taken a shortcut that robs the audience of making their own realization and lost the essence of the character (i.e. they still don't know what the fuck they're doing; just like with their comics.)
On the flip side, Joker's introduction/line in the trailer got me. If I'm strapped to a table waiting for God knows what to walk in the door I'm already terrified. Then to have that dude walk in with all his Batman DDS grill work and tell me he isn't gonna kill me? He's just gonna hurt me real bad? My mental defense is wrecked at that point. His intention seemed to be more of a sadist getting off on hurting someone else and savoring the fear his words induce, not some dude just posing or offering commentary on how sick he wants you to think he might be.
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Green Lantern wrote: On the flip side, Joker's introduction/line in the trailer got me. If I'm strapped to a table waiting for God knows what to walk in the door I'm already terrified. Then to have that dude walk in with all his Batman DDS grill work and tell me he isn't gonna kill me? He's just gonna hurt me real bad? My mental defense is wrecked at that point. His intention seemed to be more of a sadist getting off on hurting someone else and savoring the fear his words induce, not some dude just posing or offering commentary on how sick he wants you to think he might be.
No matter the incarnation, when I picture the Joker I imagine a bad comedian who tells jokes to primarily amuse himself. The jokes and the sadism should go together, otherwise he's just a run-of-the-mill torturer. I would have been disturbed by this Joker - Hot Topic tattoos and all - if instead of saying he was going to hurt me real bad, he'd said something like, "I'm not going to kill you, but I can't promise that I won't get under your skin..." followed by a creepy titter. Maybe I'm completely off-base and they just chose that clip because it shows his face in closeup, but I'm not encouraged.
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