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Batman, mass murderer.
He gets this stuff, see? He really GETS this stuff! Go line his fucking pockets now.
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What Snyder perhaps failed to recognize is that those planets were blown up by the BAD GUYS.
The reviews I've read on AV Club and Comic Book Resources were pretty scathing. I still can't believe DC handed the keys to the kingdom over to that d-bag Snyder.
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"Dawn of Justice is a colossus, the stuff that DC Comics dreams are made of for that kid in all of us who yearns to see Batman and Superman suit up and go in for the kill."
Ummmmmmm...unless that's some kind of meta-comment or a coded reference to how much this movie doesn't understand that Batman and Superman DON'T "go in for the kill", I don't even know what to say about it.
IGN's review warned to approach it more as an extension of Snyder's Watchmen. GRRRRRREAT. Will do. I'll assume it's a longer, more painful turd.
Everything about this movie just looks like garbage, and the positive comments I've seen are either from people that were likely dazzled at seeing a big movie at an early screening or from people that are giving VERY qualified, VERY guarded reviews.
But hey, how about that Civil War trailer! Spider-Man looks GREAT! And he got jokes!
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I think this proves that you really can't take anything from that story out of context. It's such an extreme Batman story, you can't just take and use what you want from it. You'll only fuck it up and make something that makes zero sense.
Not to blow my own horn or anything, but I've done some stuff I'm mighty proud of due to growing up a Batman fan, volunteering to do things that help people, like becoming a Big Brother for example. I know people are saying not to bring kids to this movie, but you know it will happen. Bums me out to know that this will be the introduction to Batman that some kids will have.
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It is sad that a lot of kids are going to come into seeing Batman as a violent, hateful monster...he's not even that in TDKR. It's nowhere near what Nolan did, which is to show that Bruce Wayne made choices with serious consequences and they were all for good. And it's a far cry from what Morrison was suggesting in his run, that Batman is the "optimal man".
Frankly, I'm kind of tired of the "psycho" Batman- which is one of the reasons I liked Morrison's take so much. And that was also what made Damian Wayne such an interesting foil, because he really was (at first) a psycho. Part of the story is that Batman teaches him to be moral and conscientious.
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Fool me once...
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To think that the Adam West, pussified version of The Bat is accurate or representative of him, you're deluded.
He did have a sort of "moment of clarity" and now has a no guns rule, so to speak, but he's set his morals aside all throughout his career.
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Ok, so the Golden Age (before comics had such a thing as depth to characters and writers realized it that a guy this traumatized by the death of his parents would logically despise the very instrument of their deaths), two nods to the Golden Age, a video game (which I can confirm was non-lethal use), a film by a director who had no fucking clue what to do with the character, two movies where, again, non-lethal use, and one where is was an act of complete desparation, and his use of a gun was clearly not meant to be taken lightly. Of those examples only 2 of them I would consider cannon, and at this point, I'm not sure if the Golden Age counts. The vast majority of the characters history stands by a "no guns, no killing" policy, and in this case, it's either the work of someone who doesn't get it or is referencing something incorrectly.
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Like Jesus, Batman is open to interpretation and there have been many different interpretations over the character's history. Some of which have had lasting impact and have become part of canonical identity. Others- including a lot of earlier work where Batman was hanging crooks and blowing up "Japs"- have been largely jettisoned.
It is worth noting that with a few minor deviations (such as killing Joker in DKR), the best, most successful, most influential, and most popular interpretations are across the board a no killing/no guns hero.
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There's also a part in DKR after takes over the mutant gang, takes one of their guns and snaps it in half. He says "This is the tool of the enemy. We do not need it. We shall not use it. A gun is a coward's weapon...a liar's weapon." One of my favorite moments in comics history.
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