E-Cigs: They Work, Big Tobacco Hates Them

SaMoKo wrote: Price varies, but one places I shop at charges $18 for 3x10ml bottles, another charges $17 / 30ml bottle. 6-7 per 10ml seems to be about standard.

Yeah, I think it's about the same here. I stopped shopping around and just order bulk 100ml at a time. That costs me $52 and lasts almost three months.

Here, you're only allowed to vape in places where it's legal to smoke. That means pretty much nowhere except the Native American casinos. I have no idea what it's like elsewhere. On tv they're always saying how you can vape anywhere heh. What's cool is I don't have to go outside anymore when I visit my friends for gaming or whatever.

VonTush wrote: To be honest, I'm kind of glad that the eCigs took off after I quit.

Yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from. You are definitely better off. Vaping is still another shitty habit. I would never encourage anybody who wasn't a heavy smoker to ever try it. Vaping is only better than smoking.

I can't complain much, I feel better and my friends tell me I used to cough like crazy. I still have a bit of a cough, mostly when I wake up. That's to be expected after nearly 30 years of cigs but it's gone waaaay down.

Gary Sax wrote: (Not a smoker myself)

I see this fucking shit where doctors and shit are reluctant to fully recommend e-cigs and whatnot. What a bunch of horseshit. Yes, nicotine alone is still a little bad for you. But compared to smoking cigarettes? This country's insane puritanism boggles my mind sometimes, it prevents making sane recommendations about minimizing harm from something *people will do anyway* and all it hurts is public health. See condoms vs. abstinence argued for anything but purely religious reasons.

Like I said, I don't smoke, but this shit is a no-brainer to me.

If one of my patients (dentist not doctor - however we can prescribe anti-smoking meds and have some training in the area) asked about E-Cigs I would be far more reluctant to recommend or prescribe an e-cig regimen over the more established anti-smoking meds. Sure its better than cigs, but we honestly don't know the long term effects, especially when it comes to the oral damage and effects they can cause. I realize you are speaking toward the extreme viewpoints who are straight condemning use, but I am not one to replace one habit for another until we know more about its effects both long and short term. Realistically looking at situations it may be a useful aid, but its a dangerous place for doctor recommendation right now until we know more. Lots of patients ask me if they should chew instead of smoke to improve their health or vice-versa, I'm not trying to argue e-cigs are the same as that, but as health providers we need to tread very carefully.

(All this being said, realistically if I knew the patient would be non-compliant with quitting and such I'd much rather have them on e-cigs then regular smokes or chew variants. Good luck all those trying to kick the habit.)

VonTush wrote: Towards the end of November will be two years since I've stopped smoking. I used the gum myself.
Out of curiosity - Are y'all looking to quit nicotine? Or cigarettes/tobacco? Is it viewed as an aid to quit nicotine? Or a replacement for tobacco?

It's more of a replacement. As a replacement to cigarettes, it's much easier to ween off an ecig, and is a less harmful habit in every way.

Most of my (smoking) goth friends have switched from cigarettes to e-cigs in recent years. Hardly any of them still smoke cigarettes anymore.

Fucking goths! That's how I got started was from smoking shitty cloves. =P

Ew, clove cigarettes are disgusting. The vape shop I go to sells clove ejuice, and people buy it for whatever reason. I don't get why you would choose that over, say, gummi bears, licorice, caramel espresso, or blueberry muffins. I don't even buy the tobacco flavor.

But clove cigarettes are the smell of getting laid when you're a high school goth, the sounds of The Cure's "Disintegration" in the background.

SaMoKo wrote: The vape shop I go to sells clove ejuice, and people buy it for whatever reason. I don't get why you would choose that over, say, gummi bears, licorice, caramel espresso, or blueberry muffins.

Never go full douche?

uhhhh cigarettes make you cool