Let's Talk: Real-Life UFO Experiences

OK, so we needed a spin-off, I think. Especially since we have some good ones, like Chapel witnessing one of the big UFO events of the past several years.

I have actually never seen anything I'd classify as a UFO. However, I have some stories related tangentially.

My dad is a totally down-to-earth dude. Old fashioned. Not very imaginative, he's more of an engineer. He just doesn't know how to make stuff up. So when says certain things, I take them at face value.

My dad was working for a MAJOR AMERICAN AERONAUTICAL FIRM that shares a name with Kitty Pryde's pet dragon. I do not want the black helicopter/MIB alert to go off here. He worked there for like 40 years and just retired two years ago from it. Back in the early 1980s, he worked on the night shift and he told me that he was going to work in "The Black Hole"...which, at that time, made me think my dad was going to work on something like the film The Black Hole. But it was actually some kind of classified R&D department at this company. Military stuff, not civilian. I would ask my mom what dad was doing at his job and she would always tell me "I really don't know, he won't tell me because he's sworn to secrecy". Before I go any further, my dad has still NEVER said anything specific about what he did at The Black Hole other than that he was working in some kind of supervisory position. I ask him every now and then "dad, what was the Black Hole" and he still to this day says "I can't tell you, it's still classified." My dad doesn't play games, so I believe him.

Anyway, he has made some asides over the years. The big one was when we were watching this prime time TV show sometime around 1988 or 1989 about UFOs. There was a section of the program all about the Cash-Landrum incident, which is one of the BIG stories out of the whole UFO canon. Look it up. Basically, in 19980 two women and a kid were traveling at night down a rural road and watched this big, diamond-shaped object fly by, being escorted by military helicopters. It appeared to be damaged or struggling. They thought it was Jesus or something. It emitted intense heat. Both women had health problems including blistering and signs of being exposed to radiation, despite there being no sign of radiation in their car or in the area. I think they tried to sue the government, but failed.

Anyway, during this segment, my dad pipes up and says "I know exactly what that was, I've seen it." Of course, I say "what is it???" And of course, "I can't tell you, it's classified. Something we worked on in the Black Hole."

BUHHHHHHHHH.

Another time, he was giving me a lecture about standing up for yourself when you know that you're in the right...and then he tells me this fragment of a story about how when he was working in the Black Hole that the people he had working for him were handling a material that "they didn't know what it was" (his words). My dad apparently pressured his bosses for more safety measures, but they wouldn't listen. Some of his employees started to get seriously ill from being around whatever this stuff was, and this turned out to be why he decided to leave the Black Hole and take a non-classified assignment.

He did actually respond once when I pulled out my semi-annual "dad, what did you do in the Black Hole" question. He looked at me and he said "I saw some things while I was in there you just would not believe." My dad does not talk like that about anything. And this makes me think that it was more than just stealth tech, some kind of advanced propulsion system or something mundane like that.

As I got older and started reading about UFOs and all that, the whole 300 section at the library, I started to wonder if maybe my dad was "commuting" to Area 51 like Bob Lazar and some of those most-likely-lying people have talked about. He did work 12 hour night shifts...but that's more on the totally out there speculation end of things.

It could be something to do with the Aurora, the F-117, the B2 or some other experimental aircraft. It could be some kind of super high-end black technology that was being reverse-engineered from Soviet sources (it was the early 80s, after all). It could have been some kind of early research into drones. I have no idea. Or it could be something extraterrestrial. Maybe they had a Stargate and Richard Dean Anderson was there.

Of course, I've done research on this...there's almost NOTHING about the Black Hole anywhere, and usually when you see it mentioned it's conflated with Lockheed's (whoops) Skunk Works, which is where they developed the SR-71 among other stealth aircraft. But was a program that I think has managed to go mostly unnoticed and unreported. I have talked to other people that family that worked in the Black Hole. I used to work with this lady whose brother was in it, and she told me similar stories and also talked about how her whole family had to be given a security clearance for him to go to work there. I had another friend who's dad worked on other projects there that had some interesting comments about it, he believed that they were doing something with holograms but that's totally unsubstantiated. We went to pick him up from work one day and he showed us the building where all the Black Hole stuff was supposedly housed, but it was something else by that point in the mid-1990s. I've also heard anecdotally from people that lived in the area in the late 70s/early 80s that there was this sort of community rumor that Lockheed had a UFO on the base. But you know how that goes. It's worth nothing that the rumor would have been really before all of the Area 51/Groom Lake hype happened, long before X-Files, and before a lot of the current Ufology trends.

I dunno. Another thing that could be completely mundane. Or maybe not. I kind of don't want to know one way or the other.

I don't want to hear anything about alien "probing."

If you dig the UFO stuff, then I can't recommend this book enough: Hollywood vs. The Aliens: The Motion Picture Industry's Participation in UFO Disinformation.

www.amazon.com/Hollywood-vs-Aliens-Parti.../ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

It's written by an author friend of mine, Bruce Rux, who lives up in Colorado.

Personally, I don't believe (I want to believe). Rather, I'm a fan of the Fermi Paradox.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

I started reading Wikipedia entries on the Fermi Paradox last summer and that quickly turned into a rabbit hole of interesting links.

I've seen some crazy shit, that I cannot explain, and that defies rational reason. YES, I was sober. I was with 5 other people who saw the same thing. Couldn't have been something that we made. Short version: A bright, BRIGHT light-emitting ball that had to be at least 100 feet in diameter, floating in the sky perhaps a mile out from us and maybe 10,000-15,000 feet altitude. It got bright and launched at a breathtaking speed straight up, out of the atmostphere, and Zoom! Gone.

We all saw it, freaked us all the fuck out. We were on Castle Rock: www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=538

I've been in plenty of "classified" plants and have seen all kinds of outlandish shit. Nothing impresses me anymore. That is still something that I cannot rationally explain....something so profoundly absurd that unless I was there, I'd have called anyone who is saying what I'm now saying, "completely full of shit."

I'm a huge believer in the fact that we are absolutely, undoubtedly alone in the universe vis-a-vis aliens. Not a chance. But this....I have no idea what it was. Angel, Devil, Green Zeta Reticulan...no idea.

Of all the UFO and alien "truther" theories and speculations out there, I truly enjoy reading stuff from Richard C. Hoagland.

www.enterprisemission.com/

I dig the idea of that there might be "hyperdimensional physics." It's not peer-reviewed science, of course (all because the of "conspiracies" and "cover-ups" shhhhhhhh......) It reminded me of Arthur C. Clark's 2001: A Space Odyssey. His book Dark Missions was a great page-turner and a fun read. He also theorizes that Mar's moon Phobos is the Death-Star. That theory is too cool because photos show an obelisk (or a shadow or artifact that looks like that) on Phobos. And, the Russians have directed a Space probe to land on Phobos. Oh, and, there's a city on Mars....and, a robot's head etc....and, how could I forget about the Crystal City (alien base) on the Moon.

www.amazon.com/Dark-Mission-History-Enla...evised/dp/1932595481

SuperflyTNT wrote: I'm a huge believer in the fact that we are absolutely, undoubtedly alone in the universe vis-a-vis aliens. Not a chance.

Would you care to share why you feel this way?

Columbob wrote: I started reading Wikipedia entries on the Fermi Paradox last summer and that quickly turned into a rabbit hole of interesting links.

I think this page is the best discussion of the fermi paradox:
waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html