Thursday, 04 September 2008 03:49
Alright, I've been playing THE WORLD CUP GAME for months and I figured I'd put the review up at Gameshark.com rather than the scathing, hateful rant against the attendees (including many gamers) of Dragon Con 2008 that I was going to send in to Bill Abner this week. I realized that I wasn't writing about gaming but about "geek culture" in general.Seriously, if you took all the time, money, energy, concern, and passion that "geeks" invest in bullshit like failed TV shows, building elaborate costumes, and gaming and focused it all on social change, environmental stewardship, and humanitarianism then the world would be a different place.
And then there's the girl that came up to me and assessed the three games I brought to play with AGF alumni (CUTTHROAT CAVERNS, REALLY NASTY HORSE RACING, and THE WORLD CUP GAME)- "Fun once, fun once, never heard of it." Ah, the unsolicited elitist geek opinion. Thank you for that.
And then there was my realization that the root of all geek humour is juxtaposition, typically of pop culture references or incongruity. "McCthulhu's" or KILLER BUNNIES are key examples. Or a Stormtrooper with one of those Firefly toboggans on. And that Dr. Horrible crap, which as I predicted was all over the con, is totally based on the hilarity of a "bad guy" talking about "soft billowy curtains". Juxtaposition like that is not ever funny to me.
And then there was this artist...I think I heckled this painting in the artshow for like twenty minutes. She also had a painting of a feather with Elvis crying in it, I think I know why. NSFW! NSFW! NSFW!
See! I'm doing it. Nobody wants to read six pages of that, so go check out the review instead. The game is awesome.
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Jack Hooligan
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... Actually, I do want to hear about the Dragon*Con. When I was living in Huntsville, AL. We made the trip every year from '92-'99. Then I moved to Austin, TX and have only gone back about 4 times. The last being in '04. I usually stuck myself down in the dwindling gamer room with a cooler of beer and ran games for friends and acceptable passerbys. The Con seemed to have changed over the course of those years to a costume party, but I've been thinking about going back as it's the only way my buddies I and can get in epic games like TI3. Even if we're the only ones in the game room... |
Shellhead
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... I find soccer to be a relentlessly boring sport. Players constantly run up and down the field, and then once in a blue moon, a goal is scored. The scoring player invariably falls to his knees weeping and giving thanks to god while at least one of his teammates appears to be hugging and dryhumping him at the same time. By comparison, American football is like Napoleonic warfare, two lines of brightly-garbed grim men facing each other across a no-man's land at the start of every play. Then they explode into violent action, with terrain taken and held and until peace breaks out once again. However, I do like what I'm reading about this World Cup Soccer game. Sounds like a more serious version of Slapshot, with some novel mechanics. Too bad about the price, that is enough to keep it low on my buy list. Btw, that picture depicts just about the ugliest trophy that I can remember seeing. There have been many vaguely phallic trophies over the years, but most of them don't try to simulate the veins on the sides. Yecch. |
Walterman
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... Barnes, the World Cup Game sounds similar to Marvel Heroes. Clever card play, managing a stable of entities instead of just one, very little "growth" (good heroes or teams start good and stay good), opportunities to gang up on the leader, strong theme, and so on. Thanks for bringing this game to my attention. I have never understood the analogies between regulation American Football and warfare. I may be biased, though, because my favorite American Football game throws out the regulations: Midway's Blitz. I would also like to point out that Napoleonic soldiers didn't wear as much padding as American Footballers.... |
Schweig!
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... Best sports game? Is this better than Wrasslin'!? Tecmo Super Bowl, great game! I played 3 so much I considered it broken, or too easy. 1 might be the best Tecmo Super Bowl game despite its worse graphics. And the offside rule explained in its simplest form is: Offside is when one player passes the ball forward to his fellow team mate, while at the time the ball is hit this team mate has no opposing player (goalie excluded) between him and the goal. I'll definitely check this game out at Essen. |
Michael Barnes
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... Oh, Walt...you're my best F:AT friend. :-P Best sports game? Is this better than Wrasslin'!? Yep. But WRASSLIN' is the best "sports entertainment" game out there. Actually, I do want to hear about the Dragon*Con. No you don't. It sucks. Faded/fallen celebrities, furries, a bunch of losers exuding palpable loneliness and seeking some kind of solidarity and meaning with others over cancelled TV shows...I had an awesome time but that was because I was hanging out with my friends and a lot of AGF folks the whole time and we just went fucking nuts all weekend. I barely gamed at all. I don't go there to game in the first place, and I frankly couldn't care less about spending time in the gaming room (which was packed almost all weekend, BTW) when I could be out running amuck. If I had been busy playing games I would have missed seeing ludicrous sights like a stoned-out-of-his-mind Incredible Hulk wearing New Balances beating on a water jug while Little Bo Peep danced in one of those hideous "drum circles". Plus the gaming area STINKS. And I tire of seeing fat people hunkered over board games all weekend. We did get in an awesome 10 player game of WORLD CUP in which the prize was this amazing Nicholas Cage matchbox. We also did a round of REALLY NASTY HORSE RACING GAME which was great as always. Saturday night we did a DIY TIME'S UP with the old AGF crowd over Hoegaardens and that was pretty sweet. Troll and Toad was there hawking their games at twice the highest recent Ebay bid. Those clowns, I don't see how they stay in business. That company that makes that PLAYING GODS thing was there but it looked like shit...didn't even bother with a demo. Btw, that picture depicts just about the ugliest trophy that I can remember seeing. There have been many vaguely phallic trophies over the years, but most of them don't try to simulate the veins on the sides. Yecch. Make sure you check out that NSFW link when you get a chance. |
Schweig!
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...I find soccer to be a relentlessly boring sport. Players constantly run up and down the field, and then once in a blue moon, a goal is scored. The scoring player invariably falls to his knees weeping and giving thanks to god while at least one of his teammates appears to be hugging and dryhumping him at the same time. Yes, that can happen occasionally. But you should watch the Champions League (inter-European football club competition) or the World Cup for some more interesting games. Watching football is entertainment in a more classic sense, watch a piece for a long time with one, few or sometimes no climax. It's like watching baseball and waiting for a home run. American football on the other hand has more thing happening and it's no surprise it became so popular at least in the US. Personally I enjoy watching a football game occasionally. But if you go to a game in the lower leagues it's all about getting drunk before the 20th minutes and supporting the home team until then. Last time I went it was good to see our boys shoot three goals and it didn't really matter that the final score was 1:3 for the opponent. |
jeb
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... This game sounds pretty cool. As sports games go, I am partial to WIN, PLACE & SHOW, as noted all over this damn site. But this is right up my alley. Sadly my alley is filled with ALHAMBRA players so this would never happen. (Hmm, actually, I would need to angle this another way... could happen...) Can we not have the whole American football v. soccer fight on this site too? Americans and Canadians like American football. The whole world, save America, loves soccer. Ok? There's some appeal to that game, and you should just admit it. |
moofrank
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... The World Cup Game is the kind of reductionist design that drew me to the whole German games thing so many years back. There is a hint of an old classic British game called Road to Wembley hiding in there. There is also a LOT of a weird little game called World Cup Tournament Football. (In, it you play your cards face down. ) But I'm liking this World Cup game better. Road to Wembley has more interesting progression but takes 3 hours or so, and gets a little tedious. And World Cup---you kind of throw your cards down and hope. It is wackier, though, but you feel detached from the actual game part. |
Michael Barnes
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... You have this thing about making fun of people's shoes don't you? HA! I do! You can tell a lot about a person's taste by their shoes. I made fun of a lot of shoes at Dragon Con...you have these people who do these elaborate, detailed costumes...and then wear whatever crosstrainers were on clearance at Shoe Carnival. It's like the costume stops at the feet. Then there's the barely post-pubescent bird-like nerd girls with greasy ponytails and wire-frame glasses that try to dress like whores for the con...corset, plaid miniskirt, fishnets, and FLIP FLOPS. I messed up my new Adidas kicks at the con...damn it. The World Cup Game is the kind of reductionist design that drew me to the whole German games thing so many years back. It totally has that early/mid-90s Eurogame feel, which is actually a very good thing. It's so straightforward but it's not limiting, and I think that's one of the key assets. It's almost anti-mechanical in a way, more about playing and having fun than "cleverly" deploying a catalog of repetitive mechanics. And World Cup---you kind of throw your cards down and hope. A little, but I think there's actually a lot more strategy in it than you'd expect from a game of this kind. Timing is everything and picking your battles is critical. Being able to use the cards in more than one way means a lot. but you feel detached from the actual game part. I thought the game would feel like that, but I don't think it really does...it's still very high-level, but I totally get a sense for what's going on in the games. If a team has a lot of defense markers, it's obvious that they're either playing defensively or having to deal with an aggressive opponent. If a team has a lot of attack markers, they're probably striking a lot but not getting many goals. It really just kind of strips away the back-and-forth on the pitch down to what really matters- how a team played and how many goals they scored. |
Schweig!
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... I had to read this link to find out what "New Balances" means: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.co...nce-shoes/ Actually I thought of showing up to Dragon Con in a costume that would have made you cringe. Tucked in Polo shirt with khaki pants and white Reeboks! I guess you would have hardly stuck out. Btw, that picture depicts just about the ugliest trophy that I can remember seeing. There have been many vaguely phallic trophies over the years, but most of them don't try to simulate the veins on the sides. Yecch. The world cup trophy at least tries to portray something, unlike say the Stanley Cup, which only criteria before creation seems to have been, "Make it as big as possible": http://hockeyhype.files.wordpr...cup-01.jpg |
JoelCFC25
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... Commieball, as my friends have called it for years, is far and away my favorite sport. Americans don't take to it naturally for a number of reasons--the two biggest are annoyance from soccer evangelists continually crowing that it's the "next big thing", and an entire generation of sportswriters and media outlets fomenting distrust and loathing of the sport by focusing on its negative qualities (this has been an extraordinarily successful campaign, I might add). Soccer evangelists will attempt any number of angles to advance their agenda, but by far the worst is assuming that most people just "don't understand it"--akin to a lot of the board game snobbery with which we are all so familiar. Of course people get it--and I'm not talking about details like the offside rule. They just aren't entertained by it. And who can blame them, when it's put side by side with our traditional American sports offerings? Some people want to make the public feel guilty or deficient for not liking soccer more, and to their credit, most (especially the media) push back against that nonsense. Thus it will forever remain a niche sport here, quietly successful by very modest standards. I love it for the continuous action, short time commitment (2 hours including halftime and it's done), individual skill, the personalities, and the history, which often serves as the backdrop for the tension and atmosphere. There's no question that some matches are real duds, and that things like diving and time-wasting can be a real blight on the game. For most people those negatives ARE the focus, and their basis for dismissing the entire sport. Somehow I just got to a point where I don't let those things ruin my enjoyment of the rest. |
Jack Hooligan
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... Fortunately, I've never gone to the D*C for the celebrities. I remember going to the signing section once, and when I saw Dar sitting a t a table by himself looking like a lost puppy, I vowed never to visit that display again. However, I did get pissed drunk with Larry Elmore at the hotel bar one year. He drew this 'Spin the Jimmy' drinking game. That dude always seemed to have chicks around as well... Anyway, I went to the D*C because it was a great opportunity to have all my scattered friends come back together for a weekend of games and drinks. We couldn't, and can't, exactly stay up til 3 am every night at home getting hammered. Plus catching Gwar or the Misfits was a nice little bonus (I didn't mind the Graves incarnation) Sounds like you've recently been going to gawk and judge. If we're looking at shoes, I hope your Addidas are at least clam shells or Sambas. |
moofrank
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... Actually, I was referring to the Australian Design World Cup game, where you play your cards face down, and then turn them up...kind just watching the game. That old one is lacking. The new one gives you time to respond, and a reasonable idea about how things are going to turn out. Also... Juxtaposition by itself isn't funny beyond a 3 second tshirt slogan. That is why Doctor Horrible mostly falls flat. Joss is actually good at taking the initial geek premise and creating fairly remarkable character humor. But it takes awhile. Sandi started watching the first Season Buffy, and they are just painful. The acting is rough, the characters are not completely worked out, and the dialogue is fairly basic exposition stuff. Admittedly, Spike admitting that he likes to mix Weetabix into his blood to add crunch is still juxtaposition. By the time that joke came around, it was perfectly believeable and in character--which made it funny. |
Michael Barnes
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... I remember going to the signing section once, and when I saw Dar sitting a t a table by himself looking like a lost puppy, I vowed never to visit that display again. I call it "The Celebrity Graveyard". Anyway, I went to the D*C because it was a great opportunity to have all my scattered friends come back together for a weekend of games and drinks. That's exactly what's kept me going for 17 years straight. It's like a family reunion. This was actually the first year that my high school friends didn't show up, which was kind of disappointing...it's the only time I see them and I guess they've gotten too old or something. Sounds like you've recently been going to gawk and judge. If we're looking at shoes, I hope your Addidas are at least clam shells or Sambas. The gawking and the judging is usually a follow-up to drinking a full Scorpion Bowl at Trader Vic's by myself. Having an angry mob of 15 friends roaming around and hollering at everybody is worth $90 alone. Nah, I don't have shelltoes...they're Claws, I picked them up at the Addidas store...they're hot orange, black, and gray. Sambas look dumb on me- I have really long legs and I'm very thin-framed so they make my feet look tiny. |
Jack Hooligan
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... I've tired of 'soccer' vs football discussions living in the deep south a number of years, but put me down on the side of soccer. Particularly, hooligan culture which I find fascinating. I think the split comes from our love of rejecting the old world and embracing our colonial sports. I actually like basketball, and find the storied history of baseball interesting, but football leaves me cold. |
Southernman
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... Soccer  ... slow, no scoring, crying men, slapping is the closest to a fight. America Football  ... where's the friggin ball, 20sec action & 5mins of huddles then 10min TV adverts, game finally finishes (sometime). Rugby Union  ... helluva lot of action, lots of points, big hits, fastest growing world team sport, fast & furious. And for those that don't like too many rules there's Rugby League, simpler and a  . |
Michael Barnes
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... I've tired of 'soccer' vs football discussions living in the deep south a number of years, but put me down on the side of soccer. Particularly, hooligan culture which I find fascinating. I've only ever been to one professional football game, and one professional soccer game. Football Game- Lots of sitting around waiting for something to happen, a bunch of jackasses yelling drunk off watered-down six-bucks-a-cup draft beer, A bunch of rich guys running into each other over a ball that's like 1000 feet away from where you're sitting, $15 parking charge and a 20 minute shuttle ride to the stadium. Soccer Game- Skinheads, a bunch of Hispanic dudes triggering a car horn assembly with a 12 volt battery, constant back-and-forth action, $1 canned sodas, being close enough to the pitch to actually yell at the players, free parking in a gravel lot, people going absolutely nuts when a goal is scored. No contest. Of course, Electric Football is one of the single greatest inventions of all time, and I think it may be the single mechanic that could save Eurogames from extinction. If there were Electric PUERTO RICO or even Electric CAYLUS, then those games might be awesome. Electric AGRICOLA? You bet I'm on board for that.  |
Michael Barnes
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... The lady that paints that crap won "best warrior" in the DC art show for a painting of Odin sitting on a throne with his pants unlaced revealing a vienna sausage. I didn't know Odin had frosted highlights. It's furry shit for people who got psychologically mixed up when they were kids watching Wily Coyote, plain and simple. |
Shellhead
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... I gauge the entertainment value of a sport by how I close I need to get to the action to be entertained. Football is great to watch on television. In fact with everything broken up into plays, it works really well with commercial breaks. And Hunter S. Thompson claimed that the ultimate way to watch football on TV is to bet on every play. Basketball's okay, but I need to at least be in nosebleed seats to really appreciate it. Baseball bores me unless I'm up to bat. I've tried watching soccer on tv, but it's consistently boring, except for that time that Brandy Chastain ripped off her shirt, which was exciting for the first half second. But I guess I could see where soccer could be entertaining at the actual match, as long as there is enough alcohol available. |
Jack Hooligan
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...Football is great to watch on television. In fact with everything broken up into plays, it works really well with commercial breaks. The best argument for soccer vs football on tv. Soccer has no commercial breaks! I have no patience for television as it is, so being shilled products in my house every 2 and half minutes doesn't help. Also, I find soccer commentary much more informed then 'Boom!' John Madden and that group of windbags. Live is the best way to see it though. It's not anywhere close to the games over in Europe, but the Houston Dynamo games are a lot of fun due to the high hispanic population. They bring the energy. |
Southernman
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... Faaaaar toooooooo much kissing, arse stroking, and rolling around in mock pain in soccer for any real man  . Try a game where players finish games with broken bones, get stitched up and come back to the field of play, need to change their jerseys due to excessive blood coverage, and when the final whistle blows shake hands and have a drink with each other after spending 80mins knocking the shit out of each other. Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqA_hHZjJec (the guys in black doing the throat-slitting challenge are our national team). What can I see - that's us uncouth colonials for ya !! |
BigLizard
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... Do I really want to read this episode of Cracked LCD? For god's sake, it's a game about freakin' soccer! Since Michael gives it a great rating, I'm sure its dripping with theme. But the theme is freakin' soccer! I'm going to read it, but only because it's Barnes. You owe me one now. |
Big A
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... Blood Bowl, or at least the Living Rule book v5, is the best sports game ever published IMHO. Do yourself a favour and check it out. |
BigLizard
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... OK. Read it. Like the mechanics. And it seems less a game about soccer as a game about tournaments. Football Game- Lots of sitting around waiting for something to happen, a bunch of jackasses yelling drunk off watered-down six-bucks-a-cup draft beer, A bunch of rich guys running into each other over a ball that's like 1000 feet away from where you're sitting, $15 parking charge and a 20 minute shuttle ride to the stadium. Soccer Game- Skinheads, a bunch of Hispanic dudes triggering a car horn assembly with a 12 volt battery, constant back-and-forth action, $1 canned sodas, being close enough to the pitch to actually yell at the players, free parking in a gravel lot, people going absolutely nuts when a goal is scored. You're really drawing a distinction between sports as a big business on one hand and sports as past time on the other. I didn't care much for my one professional football game either, but have enjoyed most of the college and high school games I've been to. If I want to see an exciting soccer game, I watch hockey. Faster paced and more fights. I have never understood the analogies between regulation American Football and warfare. Its about making a tactical plan before each play, executing the plan, and hoping the other side doesn't screw your plan up too much just like in any battle. There are feints, probes, all out blitzes, etc. |
Space Ghost
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... Electric Football is great -- we definitely need to electrify some of the current crop of Euros. They took the wheel out of the Shoe Carnival by my house, now I can't get the pleasure of going in there and watching a kid spin the wheel and then all the people in the store going apeshit because they might get a free pair of socks with a shoe purchase. As far as the review, I can't believe that they have the audacity to use cardboard for the boards. This is totally unacceptable. Does a company really expect me to pay for fucking CARDSTOCK! I am pushing for boards to be made out of gold plated silver, and the company better damn well ship me the game for free just because they value me as their customer....And for everything that is holy, if you are going to make a board the colors better be right. If it is a map, I want BLUE (that is B-L-U-E) seas. I think I noticed that the green on this soccer board might be a shade off -- I don't think I can play this without permanently ruining my rods & cones. |
MattDP
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... But I’d rename it “football” in the US because it just makes more sense. And it would just be the right thing to do. Thank you. Thank you so much. It almost made me weep tears of joy to see an American write those words. By comparison, American football is like Napoleonic warfare, two lines of brightly-garbed grim men facing each other across a no-man's land at the start of every play. Then they explode into violent action, with terrain taken and held and until peace breaks out once again. A friend of mine once went to an American Football match in Dallas. He said it was the dullest three hours of his life, and he didn't think there was another sport in which the ball spent less time in play. Btw, that picture depicts just about the ugliest trophy that I can remember seeing. There have been many vaguely phallic trophies over the years, but most of them don't try to simulate the veins on the sides. Yecch. No. This is the most phallic trophy ever: http://b3ta.wik.is/@api/deki/f...scock2.png |
Juniper
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...The world cup trophy at least tries to portray something, unlike say the Stanley Cup, which only criteria before creation seems to have been, "Make it as big as possible": Dude, the Stanley Cup portrays a cup. The World Cup does not. |
Juniper
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...Make sure you check out that NSFW link when you get a chance. If anyone wants to start a band named WEREWOLF COCK RING, they've got their first album cover right there. |
Michael Barnes
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... Played an awesome game last night- Mexico 1986. The quarterfinals were amazing- England v. France, Argentina v. Mexico, USSR v. W. Germany. Favorites France and Argentina got knocked out and the final went to England over USSR 2-0. OK. Read it. Like the mechanics. And it seems less a game about soccer as a game about tournaments. That's kind of right, actually. The concept (playing all matches simultaneously with simple card play determining outcomes) could be systematically applied to other sporting tournaments to- I think- good results. A Rugby edition (how 'bout it, Southerman?) would work for example. But you know, it definitely feels like a soccer game and it has a definite soccer feel to it. Even the matches are very birds-eye, you still get a sense of back and forth struggle and of what is happening in every game. You don't get the "halfback passes to fullback...fullback passes back to halfback" feel, but it's definitely a game that puts theme and concept front and center over mechanics. You're really drawing a distinction between sports as a big business on one hand and sports as past time on the other. I didn't care much for my one professional football game either, but have enjoyed most of the college and high school games I've been to. That's a good point. I don't really like the game regardless, but I can at least understand why people have a good time at "smaller" football games. A friend of mine once went to an American Football match in Dallas. He said it was the dullest three hours of his life, and he didn't think there was another sport in which the ball spent less time in play. American sports are more about corporate advertising than anything else. Witness the last time the Olympics were in the US- here in Atlanta. Corporate logos EVERYWHERE, and the IOC actually said it was one of the worst Olympics ever due to the overabundance of advertising. Beijing 2008? Not a single advertising banner, sign, or billboard anywhere to be seen. I mean, I know they're communists and all but still. |
MattDP
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... Anyone who liked the NSFW pic needs one of these, now: http://www.birkoph.com/Wolf_tshirt.htm (Read the comments. They're fucking hilarious) |
Michael Barnes
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... Holy shit, it's printed on BOTH SLEEVES too. But I'd say that anyone that liked the NSFW picture probably needs a lot of counseling and probably some meds somewhere along the line more than they need a T-shirt that announces their "kinship" with wolves to the world. And frankly, a good ass kicking wouldn't hurt either. |
MattDP
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...But I'd say that anyone that liked the NSFW picture probably needs a lot of counseling and probably some meds somewhere along the line more than they need a T-shirt that announces their "kinship" with wolves to the world. And frankly, a good ass kicking wouldn't hurt either. Hey, it's art. Art knows no boundaries. |
Schweig!
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... Michael loves football so much he even read the results on TV once: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBUiPs1PxKo |
Michael Barnes
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... That video cracks me up. I'd give anything to have MES come and read THE WORLD CUP GAME results like that. |
Michael Barnes
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... Just got an email from Shaun Derrick, designer of THE WORLD CUP GAME...come to find out, there were only 1000 copies of the game printed so consider it limited. Expansion 4 is off to the printers and will be at Essen- in glorious cardstock. Bite it, internet board game bitchers. |
Bulwyf
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... Interesting review. I had heard of the game before but I hadn't realized it's more about the tournament that a recreatiion of pitch-level action. I don't think I would ever buy it but I'd certainly give it a try. Seriously, if you took all the time, money, energy, concern, and passion that "geeks" invest in bullshit like failed TV shows, building elaborate costumes, and gaming and focused it all on social change, environmental stewardship, and humanitarianism then the world would be a different place. Umm so why haven't you cured cancer or something? -Will |
Walterman
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... I have never understood the analogies between regulation American Football and warfare. Its about making a tactical plan before each play, executing the plan, and hoping the other side doesn't screw your plan up too much just like in any battle. There are feints, probes, all out blitzes, etc. I still don't see the analogy between war and American Football, BigLizard. If there was such a strong connection then most war games could be easily rethemed as American Football games, but I can't think of a single war game where that could happen. One could say that American Football was like the game "Rock, Paper, Scissors", and I would see that analogy more clearly. |
Shellhead
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... The American football players on the field are the troops, the guys on the bench are reinforcements, and the coaches are the generals. And like generals, those coaches have scouted out the enemy, and they have a plan. Of course no plan has ever survived contact with the enemy, but coaches have a chance to adjust over the course of the game, based on how given plays work out. Every play in football is like a battle, and the overall game is the war. Depending on the outcome of a given play, territory may be taken or lost, as the ball moves up and down the field. Sure, football has a lot of rules and referees, but there tend to be some restrictions in war as well, involving logistics of moving supplies. And the common sense not to attack adjacent neutral countries unless necessary. |
Shellhead
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... Analogies are just that, analogies. An analogy is a way of saying that this thing has certain similar qualties to that other thing, as opposed to saying that the two things are extremely similar or even identical. |
Walterman
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... I admit that there are similar qualities between American Football and war. They both involve people. Money is paid to the professionals who are involved. As far as the other stuff about American Football, it still sounds a lot like a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors, to me |
BigLizard
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... I never experienced sweat, bruises, and broken bones from a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors. I must be playing it wrong. |
Walterman
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... If you've never been bruised or broken a bone in a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors then you obviously aren't playing it with the type of people I do. Sweat comes more from the apprehension of the injury you'll experience if your strategy fails. |
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