FFG axes Mutant Chronicles Hot

That's a shame. I hope that this license won't go away, because there's great material in Mutant Chronicles.

No surprise there. Maybe now we'll be able to try it out on the cheap. It's one I was sort of interested in, but it was WAY too expensive. Now that there's only going to be a reasonable number of figs, it might be worth picking up.

I expect Monsterpocolypse to follow suit in about a year. Two neat minis games that are wayyyy too overpriced.

Steve"More Plastic"Avery

Hopefully, the WoW minis game will go this way as well. It's a really good, with a fairly fresh approach to the CMG formula. The price of the boosters is ricockulous in the extreme, however.

I doubt we'll see Monsterpocolypse and World of Warcraft go anywhere any time soon. According to ICV2 they are the two top-selling CMGs.

http://icv2.com/articles/news/14722.html

The only thing that keeps me away from CMGs is the price. With a CCG I can get more variety for my money. That, and nobody I knows plays them, so I can't even try them first.

Even clearance priced, I'll probably avoid this one. I don't like the scale and I can't stand miniature games that give you multiples of the same figure, but differentiate them with gold/silver/bronze bars and different stats (*cough* heroclix *cough*).

Really disappointed they didn't go with a smaller scale, so we could at least trick out Siege of the Citadel a bit with the figures.

Shocked to hear that Monsterpocalypse and WoW are outselling Star Wars Minis; that one had a lock for a long time, stealing the lead away from Heroclix.

It lasted longer than I thought.It was almost like FFG put up a check list
of what ganers did not want...& then went & checked off every item to
include in this game.

OD

Hopefully, the WoW minis game will go this way as well. It's a really good, with a fairly fresh approach to the CMG formula.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. And then people have the nerve to bitch about the lack of good new stuff coming out. "I sure do love this thing, but I really hope it fails so I can greedily get more of it at rock bottom prices rather than see it grow and thrive for years."

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Uh, yeah it does actually. I like the GAME, not the whole collectible bullshit that goes along with it. If the game dies quickly enough, I can get enough stuff for it to be able to play good, balanced matches without having to sink more and more money into boosters to keep up with the new stuff that comes out, which always gets progressively more powerful and less playtested.

And then people have the nerve to bitch about the lack of good new stuff coming out. "I sure do love this thing, but I really hope it fails so I can greedily get more of it at rock bottom prices rather than see it grow and thrive for years."

Well, I can either "greedily" get more of it, or I can just not play the fuckin' thing at all because I sure as hell ain't plunking down $25 for 4 lousy figures. Collectible games are a straight-up ripoff, always have been, always will be. So yes, if there's one I want to play, I'll wait until it dies and pick it up then. If it doesn't, then they don't need my money anyway.

You want to make a collectible game that I'll buy? Make it reasonably priced. Can't do that? Then just make a self-contained game and be done with it. Part of the REASON not much good stuff is coming out these days is that a lot of the good designs are tied up in the collectible money grub arena. No game needs players to continually sink dollar after dollar into it in order to "grow and thrive for years."

That's just bullshit and you know it (or you just really don't get it). A game like WoW mini's is exactly the kind of game that you want to grow because it has so many different figures that can be put out.

Lets see, what is considered an expansion heavy game these days? Arkham, Battlelore? Compare that D&D minis. There are literally thousands more figures to play with, all due to it having been a profitable enterprise for Wizards due to the collectible/tournament nature of the game. Now that D&D mini's isn't collectible, they are putting out significantly less figures and at a higher price point.

If you don't like the money sink aspect of collecting (which is fine, and I generally agree) then get dudes on the secondary market. The more popular a game gets, the cheaper secondary stuff that isn't tournament rare gets too. That cheap secondary market is a direct result of the collectible nature of the game and intertwined with the economics of how people buy it. In other words, the secondary market helps to support the primary market and thus the game overall. Even the fact that you can buy dead collectible games for so cheap is only a direct result of the collectible nature to begin with so were it not for the collectible nature of WoW to begin with, you'd never even have the option of waiting for it to die to get it at a huge discount.

And if you're not going to be playing in tournaments (something that generally wouldn't even exist for a non-collectible game these days), then what the fuck do you care about the potential for power creep? Also, your logic doesn't even make sense other than if you have no self control to not buy more product if it exists; if a game dies nothing more comes out for it, so why can't you just buy some of what's out now for you and your friends, consider it a closed game system and not worry about any new figures that come out?

The basic starter MSRP is $25, you can get it for about $20 and you can get commons for $1 each on ebay. If you can't see dropping $40 or $50 on a big set of figures to play a game you think highly of, then you're just being cheap and want all the fun without supporting the hobby at all (or it's part of your "buy less games" plan, but that's not the argument you're making).

Besides all which, if you want to get all high horse about just liking the "game", then proxy the whole damn thing and play it with whatever other figures you like.

No game needs players to continually sink dollar after dollar into it in order to "grow and thrive for years."

Yeah, actually it does. Collectible or not, you want expansions? You want support? People better damn well be buying what gets put out in significant numbers. You think a publisher is going to continue to put out expansions that don't sell? Run events and web publish scenarios for a game that isn't making them money?

Definitely not surprised. This was a very rare example of FFG just getting everything wrong all at once. Wrong concept, wrong packaging, wrong scale, wrong license, wrong production, wrong distribution, wrong rules, wrong game.

A reprint of SIEGE OF THE CITADEL, possibly tied to that almost certain to be awful MC movie, would have been a much wiser decision. It's an established, in-demand game with huge curb appeal. And it wouldn't have been impossible for them to franchise it out with expansions.

Jeez, those big-ass miniatures...who thought that was a good idea?

Do not summon up memories of the Shadowrun Miniatures Giant Doll Game.

I would kill any one of you without blinking to get some Siege of the Citadel - especially if it was expandable. Oh man oh man...

I think Siege is due to show up in the Trashdome soon.

Well, if it's heavily discounted, I'd be interested. I still like the MC setting, and I might even think about how else someone might use the figures.

Besides all which, if you want to get all high horse about just liking the "game", then proxy the whole damn thing and play it with whatever other figures you like.

Apparently, this subject is a little too heavy for you to discuss without pitching a bitch over it, so let's just forget it eh?