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Barnestorming #25- Sentinels of the Multiverse in Review, God Hand, Coven

“Hey, this game is pretty good.” Michael Barnes, from Barnestorming #25.

On the Table

Good superhero games are practically nonexistent, despite what the estranged Maka would tell us about Marvel Heroes. I’ve still not played Capes and Cowls, even though noted F:AT villain and beloved parade-rainer MJL1983 sent me a CD with the scans of the game on it. But Sentinels of the Multiverse almost gets it right, and without licensed characters to boot. It’s got a great look and feel, and the designers obviously put a lot of heart into not only the concept of the game but also the backstories of all the characters and the world they inhabit. It’s very well done.

The rules are sloppy, there are some goofs that are likely first-time publisher/designer fumbles, and it actually needs you to co-opt some heart counters from a FFG game. But it’s fun, the action is great, and it feels like a proper comic book game. Review is…surprise…at Gameshark.com.

I’ve also got a new article up at Worthpoint.com about 3M’s Bookshelf games. Hopefully antiques dealers won’t read it and get wise to the fact that an old copy of Acquire is worth more than five bucks.

I’ve been playing Blood Bowl Team Manager a lot. Both solo and with a friend that I used to play 40K with like 15 years ago that resurfaced out of nowhere. I love it. I’ll review it next week, but so far it’s the best game of the Fall. I almost think they should have just done an NFL game with the system- it’s a sports game first and foremost.

I’ve also got Cave Evil, Fleet Captains, and A Few Acres of Snow (which I _always_ call “For a Few Acres of Snow”) on the docket. Man, 2011 is like the best year for games in a long time. So much great stuff has come out.

 

On the Consoles

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People used to always tell me “Barnes, you’ve got to play God Hand”. The 2006 Shinji Mikami game for PS2 is now out onPSN for ten bucks. I bought it, and I FUCKING LOVE IT. It’s a pretty crude, sloppy brawler…but it’s also FUCKING BRILLIANT. The combo system is probably the best ever because you can customize your attacks. There are a couple of factors to consider, including speed, range, damage, effects like juggling or knockback, and how it chains into another strike. Then there’s this INSANE roulette wheel combo where you have a timer that pops up and you’ve got a second or two to select a power move or- oops- “grovel”. Funny enough, it’s almost exactly the same system as in the old Data East Tag Team Wrestling. Incredible game. 10/10.

Reviews I’m working on right now are Sideway: New York on PSN and Ace Combat: Assault Horizon. The short versions are that Sideway is yet another quirky 2-D platformer, but this time with an urban/hip hop style. Not very good, overall, but it has that cool 2D characters in a 3D environment thing like Super Paper Mario. Ace Combat:AH is fun- the jets look better than ever, and they’ve taken more than a couple of pages from the Call of Duty playbook so it’s all modern, gritty, and not very Japanese at all.

I should finally have Forza 4 today. I want my damn tire gauge that’s supposed to come with the review copy.

 

On the Phone

Steambirds, a flash game, is on IOS now and it’s free albeit with dating site advertisements. It’s a neat turn-based dogfighting game. You have a sort of draggable movement ruler that gives you a certain turn radius and you automatically shoot at anything that gets in front of you. There’s a lot of powerups, extra planes, and whatnot. It’s pretty neat, it sort of reminds me of Wings of War and I wouldn’t be surprised if the designers had that in mind.

I also reviewed Dark Meadow over at NoHS. It’s OK. It’s kind of a spooky version of Infinity Blade.

 

On the Screen

I actually watched a current network show! American Horror Story. It’s…very unusual. It’s doomed to fail and I can’t see it lasting through the season, but it’s surprisingly dense and dark for TV. Particularly since the folks that created Glee did this.

What I like a lot about the show is that it’s definitely more in line with the kinds of horror that were more common in the 1960s and early 1970s- very understated, with the focus being on very human psychological frailty and fracture. Except when it goes over the top, which it frequently does, and then it’s all strobe effects and choppy editing. But when it works, it has a slow-burn creep-out vibe similar to Polanski’s The Tenant. Jessica Lange’s character is straight out of a Polanski or maybe even a Lynch picture. Other pointed references seem to be Don’t Look Now, Burnt Offerings, Amityville Horror, and of course, The Shining.

What I don’t like is that it’s fairly disjointed, and there’s tons of edgy for edgy’s sake stuff in it. Such language, heavens. And two- count ‘em- masturbation scenes. Back to back. There’s definitely a sense of trying to hard to be transgressive.

I’ll be interested to see how this can be a series at all in terms of story, even if it tanks within six episodes which is what I expect to happen.

On the Doctor Who front, I’ve slowed down consumption somewhat. I can’t handle three episodes a night at this point. But I did watch the Sontaran Strategy two-parter last night that was fun. Now I see what you guys were saying about Donna- I get the point of her character now, and it has been interesting to watch her change as she’s exposed to more of the Doctor’s world. It’s interesting how _humbled_ she’s become, a very compelling character arc.

“Midnight” was a good one too, very Playhouse 90 and actually pretty scary. When Who does horror, it’s almost always a class act.

 

On Spotify

imageWarning- this section contains material of a diabolical nature. In order to avoid offending the deeply religious, I have to warn you that deviltry abounds. So Tom Vasel and JonJacob, you might want to drop out here.

Black Sabbath are a rip off.

Wait, hear me out. I love them too, don’t get mad. But here’s the deal. I was looking for a record by this pretty obscure thrash act called Coven. They did this _amazing_ song called McDonaldland Massacre circa 1987 or 1988. It’s very crossover, similar to the stuff DRI and other hardcore bands playing with metal were doing at the time. Spotify didn’t have it, but instead I found another band called Coven, out of Chicago. The album is called “Witchcraft Reaps Souls and Destroys Minds”. It’s from 1968.

I had read about this record many years ago in a book that cited it as the first “Satanic” rock record, with overt lyrics about the occult, devil worship, magic, and witchcraft. I made a mental note to look for it in the used record bins but the one time I found a copy it was like $200. I filed it away, and then thanks to the magic of Spotify…I finally got to hear it.

It’s basically Jefferson Airplane goes to hell. Psychedelic, San Francisco-style rock typical of the era. The singer is Jinx Dawson, and she’s actually really damn good in that throaty, Grace Slick kind of way. The songs are, in fact, all about the devil, witches, worshipping the devil, and being a witch. So it’s awesome in a Halloweeny kind of way, and I think calling this the first goth rock record is totally appropriate and justified.

Where it gets more interesting is that it also contains what is purported to be the first recording of a so-called Black Mass, and in fact it appears that their version of it predates the hokey thing that LaVey came up with in the late 1960s. It’s about 12 minutes long, and it’s full of spooky Latin and hilarious phrases like “kiss the goat!”. It’s apparently a mish-mash of stuff cribbed from a couple of sources including Dennis Wheatley novels. I’m not a devil worshipper, so I find this stuff fascinating and funny at the same time. Coven are apparently also credited with creating the ubiquitious devil-horn salute (not Dio, contrary to what he stated), for being the first to use the upside down crosses, and there definitely isn’t a rockrecord I know of before it where “hail Satan” is said.

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But now, where it REALLY gets interesting is that the first track is titled “Black Sabbath” and the bass player’s name is…wait for it…Oz Osborne. You can’t tell me all of that is a coincidence, especially when the Coven record predates Black Sabbath...I bet somehow Ozzy and Tony got a hold of this record in '68-'69 when they were whipping up their band...

Anyway, diabolical accusations aside…Jinx Dawson went on to record the theme song from Billy Jack (“One Tin Soldier”), Coven did a couple of other records, and now she’s running a MySpace page where she’s dubbed herself the First Queen of Goth or something like that.

Thus ends your satanic music history lesson for this edition of Barnestorming.

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  • avatarSpace Ghost

    I have been enjoying both episodes of American Horror Story. I think Connie Britton is a great actress, especially for television. The 2nd one was better than the first --- a little less of the "shock value".

    For the most part, I like the style -- but I will be surprised if it makes it through the season too.

  • avatarJonJacob

    God Hand makes me angry that I don't have a PS3. I wouldn't trade my 360 anyway because it would mean giving up all those awesome Treasure titles I love so much, especially now that I'm playing Guardian Heroes, but I still wish I could get God Hand.

    Witchecraft Coven, I'm going to download this right away and see what I think.

    I'm all for Devil Worship in the theatrical sense and am actually interested in this disc. Most of the Satanic stuff in music is kind of silly and reactionary to me anyway so it's more about understanding the music history. The St. Peter Cross has been around for ages and was considered a Christian symbol until not that long ago. It was blasphemous for actual Christians to assume Christ's role by wearing a normal one... not that I put any stock in symbols anyway. They could wear a fucking Swastika for all I care. None the less thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't heard of them before.

    I'm not touching that Super Hero thing, I've had it with co-ops.

  • avatarDeath and Taxis

    The inverted cross (of St Peter) and inverted crucifix are commonly confused. The inverted cross of St Peter is a Christian symbol of humility while the inverted crucifix is disrespectful because Christ is portrayed upside down.

    On Osbourne's name, I'd go with coincidence. If your surname is Osbourne, there's a good chance of earning the nickname "Oz" or "Ozzy".

  • avatarJonJacob  - re:
    Death and Taxis wrote:
    The inverted cross of St Peter is a Christian symbol of humility while the inverted crucifix is disrespectful because Christ is portrayed upside down.

    Fuckin weird eh? In any case Barnes did say "cross" I assume that's what he meant. It's funny how a religion that purports to be against idol worship would put so much stock in the orientation of, a, you know, idol. I just don't get it.

  • avatarBullwinkle

    Can you play Blood Bowl Team Manager solo? I thought it was 2-player minimum.

  • avatarstormseeker75

    Thanks for the info on some cool music, Barnes. I'm going to give this a listen tomorrow. Pray for my eternal soul.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    There's no solo variant or anything like that. I just run a couple of teams against each other to see what happens. There's not a ton of secrecy/dependent material in it.

  • avatarKen B.

    Barnsey, you ought to know that when a successful band does it, it isn't a rip-off but rather, an "homage."

    Geez dude, get it right.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Ah. So it's like how Barnestorming is a homage to Next of Ken?

  • avatarDogmatix

    Barnes: On the Worthpoint article--What edition of Twixt are people ponying up big money on? I've never been able to sell a tan box edition for more than $25; red boxes seem to cap out around $15 (I've had a half-dozen of each pass through my hands at one time or another). Was there some "bigger box" version of the early Twixt? I know they had a couple of titles that were an odd size in their earliest printings but I never paid attention to that beyond the early Acquire. Twixt is still a good abstract, though it has suffered seriously from the "BGG effect" of just too much information readily available about it. Abstract gamers dissect their games to death and Twixt has an undeniable "1st player wins" issue. Unfortunately, these days, it takes about 15 seconds for someone to find all that info and then bitch about it.

    Jati aside, the big money game is undoubtedly the 1965(?) wooden-edition of Acquire, which can be a $100-$300 title (the 3M plastic tile edition is a $25-$45 game these days having been overtaken by that beautiful AH huge box edition still holding steady at $85-$125). Don't overlook Bazaar, though. That one is easily another $50+ title if it's in good condition. It's damnedably hard to find a truly complete copy and not suffering serious effects of age thanks to being one of the most "cardboard-heavy" games in the series. The original "lady & tea-cup" version of High Bid is also a solid collectable for a reason that utterly escapes me at the moment (rarity I presume as they changed the art and format at some point but I just don't remember if it's the butter box, gamette box or bookshelf box that everyone fusses over). Speaking of which, the "butter box" editions--even for common titles like Foil--are always worth a pick-up for resale. (Oh, and Speed Circuit expansion maps are generally $100+ items if you can ever find them. However, I think these all date from the Avalon Hill/3M years, so aren't "proper" 3M titles.)

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Dang Justin, I should have paid you five bucks consultancy to help with the article...I didn't have solid numbers on anything, just what I've seen. I forgot about that wooden Acquire, that's big bucks.

    I've had two copies of the red box Twict. One I sold for $60, the other $75. This was 2004-2005 though, at AGF. I think I paid $35 for one and maybe $20 for the other.

    Prices on this stuff are so uncertain since the collector market is smaller and much less codified than, say, depression glass or petroliana. I've actually found that BGG's aggregate of prices for copies sold there is a pretty useful valuation tool because it shows what the prime market is paying. What sucks though is that sometimes you'll have huge ranges like $15-$100, without an accounting for the variation over time.

    I may hit you up when I cover the other non-Bookshelf 3M stuff!

  • avatarJackwraith

    On Sentinels: I think part of the appeal of the game is that it's not using licensed characters. The best superhero RPG ever was Villains and Vigilantes and it was great because it was independent of any DC or Marvel material. There was so much enthusiasm for the Bang!-Pow!-Zap! approach to the genre, but at the same time there were serious plots and interesting situations in most of the published adventures. OTOH, playing a game like TSR's Marvel Heroes often left you shaking your head at the fact that most of the characters couldn't achieve the feats that they routinely committed in their respective comics.

    I have Marvel Heroes and, while not a favorite, I appreciate it because I'm an old-time comics fan and I get the little tug of nostalgia when reminded of character like The Shocker and Kraven the Hunter. But I'd much rather play a game based on Jack Dee and Jeff Herman's Manta-Man or Stormlord or similar non-mainstream-comic characters, if only for the "thought freedom" (for lack of a better term) that it allows. Too bad the rules sound like they need a revision.

  • avatarSagrilarus

    I got a buddy working on a co-op version of a Superheroes game but he's backing off of it now, not liking how the co-op aspect of it is working. (I think that's the issue.)

    I used to play the GURPS Supers and it was pretty interesting because you could go anywhere with it. Kept things interesting.

    Steambirds is killing me, because it's deterministic. Each round is a puzzle that you figure out. The enemy planes always start out and react in the same way. It's Wings of War with different airplanes and it's good (Angiolino is on board with it by the way), but it could use some random start locations or some unpredictable responses to make it better. As it stands once you figure out a level it's done. I'd much rather have the old video game model where each screen has more or faster or tougher opponents with a random element of some sort so you have to figure each one out each time you play. Adding that would be an exceptionally easy change to make (and could be optional) but apparently I'm the only one who wants it. As it stands I finished it about a year back and have never returned.

    S.

  • avatarDogmatix

    Barnes: Anytime you want to talk resale on games, feel free to drop me a line. If I know anything about your topic, I'll pass along whatever I know (free ;) ). I was a maniac thrifter and ebay reseller [and, for good or ill, that joint has become the "market value" baseline in many many ways], from basically xmas 2006 to early 2010. I flipped hundreds of games at a fairly substantial net return to fund my return to the hobby and rebuild/expand a ridiculous wargame collection [my overall goal was basically to make my hobby "budget neutral"]. I got very tired of the substantial storage requirements and all the changes to Ebay's terms, else I'd still be doing it.

    If you know the users to pay attention to [there's a crew in Oregon and Washington that have long turned a very brisk trade in used games], the BGG thrifter geeklists can provide a lot of info in both long-term and "fad" collectible titles and current values. Fortunately, I still periodically keep up with that stuff so y'all don't have to as. That particular community attracts a certain sort of mindset and subspecies of geek that many will find utterly inane and/or infuriating ;-)

    Though I don't sell much anymore, I still keep an eye on it now and again because I have some pretty fertile hunting grounds around here. Huge income disparity in this area means lots of thrift stores to serve sprawling working-poor communities yet seriously high-grade material getting donated by well-off families ["stuff" in general, but even the clothes can be a huge score--I'd find barely worn and even new-with-tags $125 Tommy Bahama silk shirts [many ugly at 1/10th the price] for $3-6 each and just throw 'em in a box for an unemployed in-law to flip on ebay for $20-$30 each. They sell quick if they're in good condition. My all-time score was a beautiful $1,000 early 1940s Brunswick Hoppe pool cue for $5. Plucked it out of the hands of a little kid who was about to use it as a club on another little kid and then realized the bands on it were ivory, which got my attention in a hurry.]

    Over the last few years, general economic malaise, the reprint trend (Code 777 [HUGE money], Survive!, a bunch of Sackson titles, the Hasbrolon Hill stuff, etc.) and ebay's crushing of small sellers via fees and the "please steal this product if you're not happy" buyer-coverage policy have combined to really thin the collectible game herd. I see far fewer fad titles but a certain (though lower) price stability on long-time money earners like the 3M games I mentioned and even some well-regarded recent family/party games like Wise or Otherwise and whatever that Richard Garfield game was in the purple and red box--"What Were You Thinking?" I think.

    Anyway, feel free to throw a PM my way whenever you're looking for background info for your Worthpoint stuff. Always happy to help if I can...

    PS: Here's an example of a truly classic "fad collectible" game: before the recent massive reprint, you could get $25 to $60/copy on "Guesstures" and especially "Guesstures 2" between Halloween and Xmas. $10 if you're lucky the rest of the year. It was one of those "take it to all those family holiday and New Years parties" games that people craved. I'd buy a dozen-plus copies at a buck or two each over the course of a year and start listing them on 1 November at $22 Buy it Now for version 1 and $50 for version 2 and have that shelf cleared before Thanksgiving.

  • avatarDogmatix

    Holy shit, that's a wall of text. Sorry folks!

  • avatarlfisher

    Good timing on the sentinels review as they launched their kickstarter for the expansion today. It does seem like it would have been nice to have cleaned up the base game first.

  • avatarscissors

    I am very curious to hear your take on BB:TM and Fleet Captains.

    I picked up the later this week, held my breath as I opened the box and felt a sinking feeling inside as I saw cards strewn everywhere inside. Luckily not all the packs but only one had burst and none of the cards were damaged. They're thin, but I quite like them.

    One ship was broken.

    Is it worth 100 component-wise? I guess not , altho I like all the different ships and don't mind the cards. But the tiles should have been TI:3 thickness or at least close. It makes you appreciate the standard set by FFG all the more - even after their plastics scale-back.

    Regarding the review: that Satanic stuff is some weird shit but I don't think I really want to listen to it. I'm not religious but I'd still feel tarnished! The TV show though, after the Polanski comparision, defintely sounds interesting.

    Sentinels too... sounds good... but I think co-opitis is really beginning to set-in.

  • avatarpanzerattack

    There's a new Brit horror series on BBC at the moment called The Fades which is worth watching. We're 4 episodes in so far. I wasn't too sure about it as first, the first episode skirts the line of being pretty cool and pretty naff, but the series is getting better and better as it goes on.

  • avatarShellhead

    Jackwraith, my gaming group played the heck out of both V&V and Champions back in our early gaming years. Champions sucked, because it was a joyless exercise in min-maxing, and the combat system was sufficiently detailed that it required a lot of unthematic rules-speak. V&V was light and fun, and better supported with actual adventure modules (as opposed to all those Champions stat collections).

    Two of the best superhero rpg adventure modules ever were Death Duel with the Destroyers and The Island of Dr. Apocalypse. Both of those adventures were written by Bill Willingham a couple of years before he launched his Elementals comic. Now he's famous in the comic industry for his excellent Fables series.

  • avatarInfinityMax

    I understand Steambirds is kind of like Wings of War.

  • avatarstormseeker75

    I listened to the Coven and was not impressed. Mike's description is right on the money: Jefferson Airplane goes to Hell.

    However, if you click on the Related Artists tab there's some awesome stuff in there. I found this compilation called Rise 13 that I'm really digging. Can't wait to dig through some more of this stuff I've never heard of.

    Spotify is King Shit of Fuck Mountain, that's for sure.

  • avatarJonJacob

    I thought they were interesting, certainly not as heavy as I was expecting and the lead singer sounds a bit like Joplin except with a real clean voice. The music sounds like straight ahead rock'n roll of it's time period. The content may be ahead of it's time but the music itself is a bit dated. Interesting band though.

    The thing is I've seen lyrics with similar themes in old blues tunes for years and the whole devil worship thing is a blues lyrical idea first and foremost with white singers picking it up later on. From Robert Johnson to Willie Dixon that kind of dark content has been around awhile. That doesn't even include the opera's and shit that deal with the devil and what not. It's an old topic and far more traditional then the average metal head would have you believe.

    Still, thanks for pointing them out, an interesting missing link in metal lyrical idea's.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Scissors- I played Fleet Captains last night. I really don't know what to make of it. One one hand, it is the ULTIMATE Star Trek game. It has so much Trek content it's ridiculous, and it looks and feels like Trek. The scope is huge, the level of detail in ratio to rules is outstanding. It's _fun_, and if you like Trek at all you're going to like it.

    Yet, a lot of what MJ said about it in the forums rings true. A lot of the vast content is repetitive or boils down to simple modifiers. There's gamey crap like an objective where you have to take damage, and the ability to manipulate objectives so that you can chain them. And the system setting thing is more of a to-do than it's really worth, I think. It's just the Arkham Horror slider mechanic on circle and with two more stats.

    And no, component wise, there's not $100 worth of value there. In a word- chintzy. Even the models, although detailed, are pretty shitty. Half the click bases on mine barely turn. I actually don't have any broken pieces and no damage to cards or anything, but it is a cheap-looking and cheap-feeling game.

    But it's a total green light on Team Manager. It'll almost certainly be an Editor's Choice. Especially since Bill loves Blood Bowl.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Jackwraith- that's a good point about licensed characters- they bring certain expectations to the table that can result in disappoinment. Starting fresh may be a better way to go. But you'll always hear that not having licensed characters is a demerit...maybe the problem with Superhero games is that designers and publishers are too hung up on getting those licenses when they really ought to just do their own thing.

    Dogmatix- thanks for the tips- I may actually hit you up on some values in the future when I'm putting together an article. WOrthpoint doesn't necessarily want hard and fast figures, but they like to give readers and idea of value.

    Sag- apparently, this version of Steambirds has a lot of revisions and it's not deterministic, I don't think. It's called Steambirds: Survival or something like that. There's likely more replay value.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Oh, and Coven. No, they're not metal at all. It's hippie rock, pure and simple. The interesting piece isn't even necessarily that they have lyrics about the devil or biblically evil themes (as JJ pointed out that's an old blues/country/opera thing), it's that it's directly about DEVIL WORSHIP and satanic witchcraft. Which is _not_ common.

    They didn't invent the upside down cross of course, but as far as I know they were the first to use it in a rock n' roll context. The whole theatricality of satanism also seems to be at ground zero on this record- check out that gatefold. _Nobody_ was doing this in rock at the time, and you've got to remember too that this was really right before LaVey started doing all his silly shit, before Manson, and before Alice Cooper and other shock rockers started playing up the devil business. And _just_ before Black Sabbath.

    I mean, think about going into a Peaches record store and seeing that cover in '68 or '69. That would be some pretty heavy shit back then. I mean, "Sympathy for the Devil" still wasn't really about worshipping the devil, nor were the Rolling Stones an occult rock act. But Coven was, and that's what's interesting.

    It's a record that's more interesting than good, definitely.

  • avatarSagrilarus

    Steambirds -- the new version has some nice additions.

  • avatarscissors  - re:

    "And no, component wise, there's not $100 worth of value there. In a word- chintzy. Even the models, although detailed, are pretty shitty. Half the click bases on mine barely turn."

    Barnes, yeah, it's true. Had a first good look at them this evening and have to say that the models in ST: Expedititons were superior.

    Shame that the gameplay seems kinda soupy: tons of things to do, no real reason to do them. This may just be the first game I tinker with the rules myself to come up with a more stressful variant. Can it be that the game needs to be more punishing, that it needs some kind of Doom track?

  • avatarmetalface13

    Speaking of sports games, has anyone played Victory Point Games' TC Tennis? I'm curious about that one as two of my brothers are really into tennis.

  • avatarmjl1783
    Quote:
    But now, where it REALLY gets interesting is that the first track is titled “Black Sabbath” and the bass player’s name is…wait for it…Oz Osborne. You can’t tell me all of that is a coincidence, especially when the Coven record predates Black Sabbath...

    I'm with D&T on the names, especially given that Ozzy is English and the American guy is just "Oz." The English love to hypocorize things with a y at the end, and we don't.

    The "Black Sabbath" thing is harder to write off as a coincidence, but Coven's album doesn't necessarily predate the band, just their first album. The original Sabbath record came out very shortly after Coven's, and they'd been calling themselves Black Sabbath and playing that song for a while before that. We don't know exactly when in 1969 the Coven album was released, or exactly when Sabbath adopted their name and wrote their song, so for all we know, Sabbath actually predate the Coven record. Or, they could be lying about pilfering the name from a Karloff movie and in fact jacked it from Coven. Who knows?

    Either way, BS aren't a rip-off of Coven. The two bands sound nothing alike, and there's a world of difference between the "satanic" imagery on their respective albums. Coven are all "Hail Satan!" while Sabbath are more like "Oh fuck! Here comes Satan!"

    The Coven record is a weird little novelty, that's for sure. It was a trip to hear all these Black Metal-sounding lyrics coming out of the "One Tin Soldier" lady (and strange to hear that voice in an acid rock band for that matter). Then, I Wikipedia'ed it and saw the band wrote almost none of the record. They just gave some studio guy a bunch of books about witchcraft and let him go to town. I know very few bands wrote their own stuff back then, but it's still funny to see that the first overtly Satanic rock band were, to some degree, manufactured studio puppets.

    On a side note, Googling some of this stuff got me listening to some Black Sabbath I hadn't heard in years. I keep forgetting how much great stuff they have, because all you ever hear from them are like the same 4 songs that I think we could all go the rest of our lives without ever hearing again (I think you know which ones I mean). Then, every so often, I go back and hear something like "Sabra Cadabra" or "Wicked World" and remember what a great straight-up rock band they were.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    I'm just sensationalizing the ripoff thing...it's more funny than incriminating, really.

    At the end of the day, Black Sabbath is one of the Best rock bands of all time, Coven is an interesting footnote.

    But yeah, how 'bout we not ever hear "Iron Man", "Paranoid", "War Pigs" and "Sweet Leaf" again? I'd much rather hear "Symptom of the Universe", "Into the Void", "Supernaut", and "Snowblind"'.

  • avatarBrewmiester  - re:
    Jackwraith wrote:
    ... The best superhero RPG ever was Villains and Vigilantes ...

    The 2.1 reprint of V&V is available

    http://monkeyhousegames.com/

    Paper

    http://www.amazon.com/Villains-Vigilantes-Cubicle-Entertainment-Ltd/dp/ 0857440810/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1311135616&sr=1-2 target=

    and as an app

    http://itunes.apple.com/us/book/villains-and-vigilantes/id442141794?mt=11 target=

  • avatarstormseeker75

    Supernaut - holy crap, that's the best Sabbath song of all. That riff is just so awesome.

  • avatarSchweig!

    Who needs heart counters? Just pull out a pencil and a piece of paper.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Listen, I'm all for the golf pencil and pad. But this is a situation where number are going up and down constantly and in enough of a quantity that having something to keep track of things actually would make it more fun. Dice are a good solution, as is using unused cards (other heroes/villains) tucked under minions or whatever as counters.

    It could also use some other tokens to mark effects imparted by other cards but that could lead to clutter, and clutter leads to bloat.

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