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Barnestorming #9823- Destined Hero in Review, Witcher 2, Captain America Barnestorming #9823- Destined Hero in Review, Witcher 2, Captain America Hot

destinedhero An 8-bit boardgame.

On the Table

I finally dinked around enough with VPG’s Destined Hero to issue a review, and it’s not a very favorable one. It’s a hugely unique and very, very different take on the adventure game…but it just doesn’t quite work. It’s funny because in the designer notes he talks about doing the prototype and being surprised that it just worked and he speaks about it almost like some kind of prodigious revelation. That really speaks to the main thing wrong with the game. It’s not even quite half-baked, and it really needed some serious time in development before it was ready for prime time.

On one hand, it’s only a small company like VPG that could put out something that’s experimental, tentative, and interesting if not fun or really worth playing. On the other, it shows how the smaller, more open business model they have is more accommodating of games that aren’t quite up to scratch. When you’ve got less at stake with a release, the impetus for the kind of development, time, and resources needed to work with a game like this may not quite be there.

Some really interesting ideas. Just not much fun to play. The Dragon Quest artwork is great though, and again it shows that VPG really does a lot with very little in terms of graphic design and style.

World Conquerors is a good one. I really like what’s coming out of that one.

On Consoles

Finally finished with Witcher 2, at least the first playthrough. I’ve got to put it away for now, I was right at hitting Witcher burnout when it wrapped up.

It was awesome, the ending was great and it offered me a couple of very unexpected choices.

One of the best video games I’ve ever played. I’ll kind of miss being completely enthralled by it as I have been over the past month.

Now I’m grazing…a little Trials Evolution, which is horrifyingly addictive and compulsive. Found a dollar copy of Marvel Ultimate Alliance so I’ve been playing with it, a simple but fun beat-em-up. And I just started Silent Hill 2, which I’ve never played. Man, is it boring for the first hour or so.

On IOS

I just discovered the comics readers, so I’m trying really, really hard not to blow my entire paycheck on digital comic books. I bought all of The Infinity Gauntlet and the Kree-Skrull War. Some miscellaneous Batman issues. Read a couple of issues of Civil War since I didn’t read it when it was new. Pretty bad, I though it would be something more interesting than the ol’ “government cracks down on Supers” chestnut.

On the Screen

Watched Captain America. Here’s the surprise. I really liked it. I liked that it was old fashioned (as in, 1990s-era summer blockbuster old fashioned), I liked the treatment of the character including how they folded in his Golden Age personality and hokiness as a war bonds spokesperson, I liked that the Howling Commandos were there (although not named), and I LOVED Red Skull.

This one got a lot right that the other Marvel pictures didn’t. There was a great villain, the storyline was more interesting, and there was a MUCH greater sense of scope, atmosphere, and setting. Getting Joe Johnston onboard was a smart move, because he brought that same sense of pulpy, gee-whiz attitude that Rocketeer had.

The Hydra stuff was great, loved that they were presented as the EVEN WORSE Nazis (they Sieg Heil with BOTH arms!). The Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe stuff was fun, and I even liked the laser tanks and stuff. It’s a boyish, fun movie with a real sense of heart…something that neither Iron Man nor Thor had at all.

I really liked too that Steve Rogers was presented not just as a Pollyanna patriot, but as just a good guy. I thought the portrayal of a regular guy that wants to do right that suddenly has the ability to make a difference was really well done, and that made me believe in Cap.

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  • avatardragonstout

    I loved Captain America, but I *really* loved the first half of Captain America. Really felt for the character. The last half is just explosions, and not that creative. It's like the reverse of the Avengers, in which the character stuff sometimes seemed forced but the final third of the movie full of surprising action and explosions: wow!

    But yeah, what a likable character, Steve Rogers. I think that's the sequel I'm most looking forward to, Captain America 2; there's the most room there for doing something new.

  • avatarSuperflyTNT

    C'mon, these guys are an extension of an art program, Mike. I would expect the art to be actually much better than it is, knowing that. Even notwithstanding the truly sub-par components, I would give them credit for doing a great job on Nemo, because, like you said, they have the ability to get very creative.

    They're like a lower-budget version of what Small Box used to be: very experimental, low-ish price point, and some hit-and-miss in there. When they're good, they're spectacular, and when they fail, they are equally spectacular in their utter failure.

    Got to give them props for trying, though. I'm hoping they change over to Superior Print on Demand for their cards and their new laser machine produces some higher-grade stuff. Stuff that makes their brand shine.

  • avatarbfkiller

    With all this talk about Captain America around here recently, why hasn't anyone mentioned how completely awesome Tommy Lee Jones is in it? I thought he stole every scene he was in.

  • avatarJonJacob

    As a kid I hated Cap America. It's hard to imagine how tough it was to get over all the pro America crap we were fed as kids. Red Dawn, Top Gun, Captain America... I just had no time for the character. Anything with a pro America theme made me angry immediately. Then I read the Ultimates, admittedly a silly comic, but just a ton of fun and clearly what this new batch of movies are based on. Suddenly I loved Cap America and his movie is the best Marvel movie for me. I love the sets and setting and I love the world in general it takes place in. Hugo Weaving is great fun... and the genius to using him is the same as the problem with using him. His golden good boy nationalism doesn't work in the modern world.. what to do? - spoiler - just freeze him from his time and thaw him out here. Simple, good for the story, and a wonderful way to move into a modern era and keep the same personality. Plus it gives you a chance to see what kind of criticisms someone from that time might have on modern society.

    But I'm not as excited for part 2 because it will, by default, have to take place in the modern world and a huge part of that movie being so successful for me is the setting. World War 2 era America is an interesting place, especially from today's perspective. It will be tough to make the potential of what he can be come to life and not bog the story down.


    ... I can't believe how quickly you finished Witcher 2, I was just behind you and now your done and I'm still in Act 2. I'm actually using the guide book now because I keep running into situations I'm not sure how to solve. Great game no doubt but it can never be game of the year for me because RPG's are just too long to keep my excited all the way through. First act was awesome though and now I'm losing a bit of steam. Still love it and plan to play a second time too. I'm surprised Roch didn't cut my head off when we met again, the guy is more understanding then I thought.

  • avatarShellhead

    Captain America was one of my favorite characters when I was growing up, but it was an earlier Cap than the one JonJacob experienced at first. My Cap was a patriotic man of action, but also a liberal, at least under the pen of Steve Englehart. Shortly after Watergate, Cap gave up the name, the costume and the shield, to become Noman, the man without a country. I was about 9 at the time, so this drove the importance of Watergate into me the way a 1,000 dry newscasts and articles couldn't, at least at that age.

  • avataraerodynamics

    Thanks for the heads up on the new Trials game. I love Trials HD -- one of those " just one more try and suddenly it's 2AM" games. I haven't been on XBLA for a while and didn't realize this new game was out now. Multi-player?...look out!

  • avatardragonstout

    I'd say that, other than in the 1940s, Captain America has always been about grappling with the complicated history and present of America; it's not like that is something new that began with the Ultimates, or even with Steve Englehart's Cap. I'm not that big a fan of Kirby's bizarre 70s run on Cap, but one of the classic issues in that run is all about Cap seeing all the shitty parts of American history. He's also always, since his reintroduction to the Marvel universe in the 1960s, been about the trauma left by war, specifically via his memories of his kid sidekick Bucky dying.

    I've got a giant recent Captain America omnibus hardcover of the first 25 issues of current writer Ed Brubaker's run that I've been trying to hawk away, too, if anyone wants it.

  • avatarAncient_of_MuMu

    By coincidence I watched Captain America today, and a few hours later I can hardly remember it. Bland, dull, didn't make use of things like character or storyline. EG, he was a weakling trying to prove his way, he becomes a super soldier and then they move on from his weakling beginning. Never mentioned again, never motivates him.

  • avatarMsample

    I don't know how much longer one can consider VPG "little". If they can afford a $100,000 die cutting machine, they must be doing OK. About the only thing that is little is their print runs - or lack thereof. They appear to have successfully found a business model where quantity of SKUs trumps quantity of units per SKU.

    And they recently posted a tour of their new office on their website:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJjjrmFUJWg&feature=player_embedded

    That's a fair amount of overhead - this ain't being run out of a basement.

  • avatarSuperflyTNT

    They are a partially volunteer organization Msample, if I'm not mistaken. They are an extension (or lab, if you will) of a school. Thus, they do not follow the "normal business model" of a game producer. That said, it's a truly inspiring story, and I hope they have all the luck in the world with their business. I mean, you design, they publish. They call themselves "The Farm League" even. Neat outfit.
    http://victorypointgames.com/articleDetail.php?pageName=AboutUs

    Also, they call THEMSELVES "The Little Game Company" in their own press release about the laser, big guy.
    http://victorypointgames.com/

    And I'm fairly sure they didn't spend 100K on a laser. I happen to have procured lasers and a $100,000 CO2/YAg laser would be able to cut steel. This is much more likely to be a 10-20K laser, like a friend of mine recently bought for his burgeoning game component business in Ohio.

  • avatarInfinityMax

    Of all the pre-Avengers movies, I thought Captain America was the weakest by a long shot. The actor was dull, the character lacked dimension, and the plot was thin. The best part was Red Skull. The rest was boring.

    Thor was only slightly better.

    The Iron Man movies, however, are fantastic just because Robert Downey Jr makes Tony Stark come alive. I also really liked the Hulk movie, and I understand that Mark Ruffalo as the new Banner is actually pretty damned good. Haven't seen Avengers yet, so I can't say.

    But yeah, Captain America was kind of boring. Maybe I just prefer my action heroes with a little more grit, but I found it shallow.

  • avatarBearn

    Mark Ruffalo IS the best Banner of the three. I think the biggest problem was that the first two movies didn't allow for the hulk's real personality to shine through and the avengers director let the guy just roll with it.

  • avatarMerkles

    I, for one, liked the old school patriotic and conservative values Captain America. If there's anything that is overdone in the Marvel universe it is counter-cultural and edginess...vs. reflecting the values of a majority of Americans.

  • avatarJonJacob

    From what I understand Captain America has been a fish out of water for a long time. But in the Ultimates he is not edgy or counter cultuer. Quite the opposite in fact but I just never read anything from the character before nor wanted to. As a kid in Canada there was really no appeal to Captain America so I never bothered and I only read Ultimates on a whim so that's my first real exposure to him. Our sense of nationalism is much more restrained here and a Captain Canada would have the same appeal to me as a kid... ie: zero (I think there is actually some kind of captain canada or canuck or something). But he is not edgy in the Ultimates, he's an old fashioned blue collar American with family values and it comes up a lot in his relationship with Wasp. I don't knwo what he's like in the new Avengers flick but he's not edgy in his movie either. He's just a typical American soldier, albeit with super powers.

    I'm now tempted to read the old Cap comics because of comments from Shellhead and Dragonstout. I may even take that comic off dragonstouts hands if shipping doesn't make it totally not worth it.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    JJ, I sort of went through the same thing with Cap...grew up thinking he was corny and lame, got all into punk and liberalism and saw him as a jingoistic relic of the Golden Age, and pretty much wrote him off. But yeah, Millar's take on him in The Ultimates really made me look at him differently. I thought it was really interesting how he woke up in our time and found out that _everything_ he loved was dead or gone. Except for his country. That made the dated, pollyanna patriotism suddenly make sense in a modern context. It's all he's really got left.

    But you know, Cap isn't really about America anymore. He's about the idealization of America. When he was created by Simon & Kirby, he was intended to be a patriotic nazi-puncher. But over time- and into the Silver Age- the dynamic of that changed so much. The idea of America changed. Frankly, it got perverted and corrupted. So the concept of Cap as a "fish out of water" makes sense, and it brings into light the fact that beneath the patriotism, Steve Rogers is a good man. It's the kind of simple values, honesty, and integrity that you can imagine a couple of guys writing this stuff in NYC in the 1940s would respect.

    I think the movie actually captured this really well. When he meets Dr. Erskine, there's that beat where the Dr. asks if his Austrian lineage is a problem. It's not. He throws himself on the grenade in the training scene not because of America, but because he's just a natural hero like that- regardless of his physique at that point. Even the scene where he calls out the newsreel heckler felt more like it was out of respect than any kind of "my country right or wrong" sentiment.

    It matters too that Cap is continually used as a tool or involved in situations where his heroism and patriotism is at odds with the institutions and organizations he's affiliated with. Civil War, the two issues of it I read at least, is interesting because Cap is the renegade.

    MuMu, I totally disagree that they left behind the Steve Rogers character. I thought that he really didn't change at all. He just got bigger and tougher, which is what he wanted to be in the first place. I liked the sort of subtle way he presented himself in a very understated "I'm a total badass now, but I'm still a soldier" way.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    Aero, what's your gamertag? I need more dirtbike ghosts to race. Mine's Crackedlcd75.

  • avataraerodynamics  - re: gamertag
    Michael Barnes wrote:
    Aero, what's your gamertag? I need more dirtbike ghosts to race. Mine's Crackedlcd75.

    My XBox gamertag is 'El Espectro 64' (bonus points if you can figure out that reference). I share an account with my son, so it will look like you're friending a 16 year old boy named Michael, but that's me too. I don't spend a lot of time on XBox, but hopefully we can connect for some two wheelin' action.

  • avatardragonstout

    The scene in which he chases down the assassin right after getting his powers was maybe my favorite scene in the movie: manages to be both an awesome action scene and simultaneously moving and revealing of his character.

    The most well-regarded Cap comics are probably:
    1) obviously, the original 1940s run, though I've never been a fan of Kirby as inked by Simon, at *all*; Kirby just got so much better, the earliest comics of his I like are the monster comics
    2) His return in the 1960s (w/ Kirby & Lee), which introduced the Cosmic Cube in a pretty cool multi-part storyline; I've actually only read up to the end of that storyline
    3) Steve Englehart's Captain America run which Shellhead referred to
    4) Jack Kirby's solo return to Captain America, much maligned at the time and very controversial now; some love it, some hate it; to be honest, I'm more on the negative side, despite loving Kirby's other 70s stuff like the Fourth World, Kamandi, and OMAC; there's a big bicentennial issue in here with Cap being faced with America's violent history, and a random totally awesome in every way Cap vs. a space vampire story. This is the run where Arnim Zola was introduced, in a way cooler design than used in the movie.
    5) Mark Gruenwald's very long and, from the bits I've read, very uneven run; here's a piece on it, which also reminds that Cap has always been about social commentary:
    http://skullsinthestars.com/2010/02/13/captain-america-has-a-tradition-of- social-commentary/
    6) Ed Brubaker's still ongoing run, which I'd say is pretty much regarded as the best-written run on the series yet, and introduced a now hugely important character that shouldn't be spoiled for anyone who hasn't read it yet. The reason mine is for sale is because it's too serious & movie-style for me.

    And of course Captain America has always been a huge part of the Avengers and the Ultimates.

    JonJacob: the Brubaker omnibus is a massive book, so shipping might indeed kill it. It'd probably still come in under cover price, though. Alternatively, I also have the first two paperbacks of the Brubaker run, which are lighter and could therefore be shipped using International First Class mail. PM me if you're really interested.

  • avatarMr. Bistro

    I have to accept that I'm incapable of getting why people like the Captain America movie. All those potentially great action moments are ruined and weightless by excessive montage. And why waste money on Hugo Weaving if he can't have any real lines? I appreciate what they were trying to do, but it was like a souffle left out in the sun, delicious at first, then slowly collapsing under its own weight. Second one sounds promising though, so here's hoping.

    To be fair, I hated all the Spider-Man movies, and I seem to be alone there.

  • avatarMichael Barnes

    I just started reading the Brubaker books. Damn. They're really good. Quite sophisticated, some of the best Marvel writing I've read in a while.. Very respectful of the character and his origins, but quite revisionist too.

    I didn't hate the Spider-Man movies when I saw them...but the thought of watching them again even the second, which was by far the best- makes me nauseous. God, if I never see that Green Goblin costume it'll be too soon. Or sit through the piddling second act of the third one.

    Aero, I gotcha...the cool thing about Trials Evolution's multiplayer is that we don't have to do it at the same time. Log your times, and I'll be chasing your ghost. Then it has a function where I can send a gloat if I beat you. TimeLESS has some pretty hard to beat scores. God help us if Space Ghost gets into it.

  • avatarfanaka66  - Comics

    I haven't read comics in years, but always loved Captain America. If I want to check out the Brubaker stuff, what issues am I looking for?

  • avatarShellhead

    I read part of the Brubaker run, the trade paperback that includes the return of Bucky Barnes. It was okay. Alright, it was better than a lot of Captain America comics that I've read in the past. But it wasn't particularly enjoyable. Marvel was addicted to black ink at the time, so most of the scenes in most of their comics at the time seemed to be at night. An overcast night. In rooms with dim lighting, at best. I think it was a crutch to compensate for so-so artwork. As for Brubaker's writing, he told a story that shouldn't have been told, but he told it well. The pace was sluggish and decompressed, but that was practically a Marvel editorial command as well, and quite visible across the product line. Writers don't mind, because they can pad out a two-issue story into a six-issue trade with extra dialogue. Writing dialogue is often easier than coming up with a fresh story.

    Like Barnes, I didn't mind the first Spider-man movie. But it failed to capture my imagination, and by the time the second one came along, I didn't feel the need to see it. I'm just not convinced that comic book stories are better in live-action, especially after so many years of great animated stuff from DC, starting with the animated Batman series in the '90s. And yeah, that Green Goblin costume was a disappointment. It was shiny and bland, not bold and creepy like the original costume from the comics.

  • avatardragonstout  - re:
    Shellhead wrote:
    I read part of the Brubaker run, the trade paperback that includes the return of Bucky Barnes.

    Nice spoiler tags, asshole! :-)

    Totally agree with you about everything you said about the run, including the dark, dark art; as I said, my problem with it was that it was too damn serious and movie-looking. For some reason the hot thing over the past decade has been writers who adore crime fiction and want to mix it with superheroes as frequently as possible: Brian Michael Bendis, Ed Brubaker, Greg Rucka. I'm more a fan of the bright, crazy, silly superheroes myself, Morrison and...well, actually he's pretty much the only one who's been doing that this decade. Which is why I've been reading so much Kirby.

    But hey, it's got the Barnes seal of approval, as well as definitely general critical and fan approval, and Ed Brubaker is easily the best writer out of those above three, it *is* actually well-written, just not to my taste, so: if anyone wants my Omnibus for half price, let me know! Jon Jacob already snatched the first two paperbacks.

  • avatarJosh Look

    I love how Red Skull labels his bombs. That way he knows which city gets which bomb. God forbid you fuck that up.

  • avatarJonJacob  - re: re:
    dragonstout wrote:
    I'm more a fan of the bright, crazy, silly superheroes myself, Morrison and...well, actually he's pretty much the only one who's been doing that this decade. Which is why I've been reading so much Kirby.

    I don't know, I put Astro City in that category but without all the drugs. Busiek has at least three shorts and one lengthy book as good as any silly fun super hero stuff I ever read. He's the re-constructionist.

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