New top list of SuperHero movies?

Love all the mentions of the first two Superman movies.

I love Flash Gordon; does he count?
And I was a fan of the first Tim Burton Batman. Great Jack Nicholson Joker and I've always like Michael Keaton.

Best super:

The FlamingCarrot


Steve"UT!"Avery

SuperflyTNT wrote: If they ever make a bad ass Punisher movie, one starring someone like Tom Hardy or some big ass gorilladude...that's going to be the winner. Fuck Dolph Lundgren, and Fuck Thomas "My last name is a girl's name" Jane.*

They've already made a badass Punisher movie; it was called Punisher: War Zone and it stars Ray "I was Titus Pullo in HBO's Rome" Stevenson. I've never seen it (I want to), but I've heard it's very enjoyable, if not good.

That being said, they could base a new Punisher movie off any of the mini-arcs from Garth Ennis' run on Punisher Max and it'd be good, IMO.

1) The Dark Knight

2) Iron Man

3) X Men 1

4) Superman 2

5) Hellboy 2

Apart from those 5 there are very few I would eagerly watch again (maybe Batman Begins, X Men 2 and First Class, and Ang Lee's Hulk)Haven't seen Avengers or Captain America, but plan on doing so soon. I don't get the love for the Spiderman films which were boring and predictable as all hell (Willem Dafoe is on my list of actors with maybe one good performance (Autofocus) and the rest incredibly shithouse and very overrated).

Damn, forgot Hellboy 2. That movie was a pure joy to watch, visually gorgeous, and I'm not sure that anyone has ever been more born to a role than Perlman to Hellboy. Okay, Patrick Stewart and Prof. X, but still.

It's hard to argue Punisher vs. Batman as they are my VERY close 1&2...but:

The punisher feeds his ultimate sociopathic, irrational desire for revenge. He is pure, pent up barbaric aggression. He gets things done on the fly and a lot of luck. He is bad ass, no argument here. But really. Who the fuck are his enemies? None of them are impressive. NOT A ONE.

Barracuda: Zzzzzzzzz. Any low level green beret weekend national guard could foil this mook.

Bullseye: Really. I've heard that "Guns are for show, while knives are for a pro", but then really, who "brings a knife to a gun fight" Bullseye = One dead toss pot.

Jigsaw: Nope. Love child of Prune face crossed with 2face. No dice.

The Medallion: This one has always made me laugh. It's Bob from fight club & Jabba the hut. Even a pinko panzy like the Daredevil could place crosshairs on that fat fuck.

The Russian: They don't even have real names now? Just obvious stereotypes? Can’t wait for the updated one: The Mulla.

Bengal: The lamers version of the Black Panther. Another idiot bringing a knife to a gun fight.

The Bushwacker: He turns his arm into a gun. Fires bullets from his index finger. I did that like crazy...when I was 7 and not allowed to get a cap gun. Pinko Canadian parents.

The Kingpin: I have to give this bad ass his due as he has both the Punisher & Daredevil constantly fucking his shit up and he still gets away with murder. If there was no Kingpin the Punisher would be irrelevant.

Mister Badwrench: This guy was invented on the fly while the writer was waiting to get his oil changed at the dealership. He has a wrench that replaces one of his hands….and he’s good at fixing cars…

Slug: Because The Medallion fit in most of the panels….and captain America had issues foiling him.

Bruno: Created the punisher and came back a whipping boy for a demon named Oliver. Calling a demon Oliver is like calling Sylvia Plath a writer.

General Kreigkopf: = Gny.Sgt. Hartman with less entertaining lines. Gomer Pyle took him out, so even Robin could make short work of this guy. Go! Go! Chris O!

Gnucchi: Punisher took both legs & arms, but still can’t quite finish the job? Way to get revenge on Snooki’s grandma.

Persuader: HAHA. Awesome. He can make anyone do his bidding, the only catch is that it doesn’t work on the suspecting….so he decks himself all in white, wears bright yellow rubber boots and adds a bulls eye to his chest (also yellow presumably to Cialis the Punishers failing eyes) to level the playing field??

The Tinkerer: I like this guy, he’s got a hobby to be proud of, as well as a gaggle of grandchildren, bad eyesight and terrible denture adhesive but yet the Punisher has a challenge?

Blastfurnace: A teleporting robot furnace. I’m pretty sure Ralphie’s dad kicked his arse right out of the Christmas story.

Burnout: Exactly. Look what happened to Amy Winehouse. It’s always better to burnout then fade away, I just wish this terrible list of “super villans” would do just that….but…

Elite, The Holy & U.L.T.I.M.A.T.U.M.

If this is all Crime has to offer, where do I pick up a pair of tights?

None of these guys can even hold a candle to the Joker. NOT A ONE. This guy represents everything society fears. Complete, unpredictable chaos, and he does it with a flair that no super villain can touch. This is the ultimate bad guy; a sociopath in its most base & feral nature. Line up any comic /Hollywood/book “villain” and the Joker will come up roses, usually dripping acid. The only thing one that will come close is Ichi the Killer….. but he’s Japanese and if you had to deal with a housing crisis like they have, you’d have a little empithy.

I haven’t even gotten to Bane, never mind Ra’s al Ghul . That’s not even taking into account the literal 100’s of lesser known villains who would be a joke solo, but like the Chinese army, are a fright in numbers. An anti-hero isn’t made up of the nameless goons that end up chum, but by the quality of the room you fill in Arkham Asylum.

So, put on your party dress Nancy, because your pro Punisher ranting’s argument has been thoroughly violated.

So I agree that Batman rocks but he is so much more then just a cop and Nolan is clearly embarrassed at what makes Batman - Batman.

In the earliest Batman comics, that is all he was; a very skilled detective who could fight really well, and had a few not all that special gadgets. Hell, he didn't even do that much fighting.

He's embarrassed about the Giant penny and model T-Rex in the Batcave, he's embarrassed at Robin, he's embarrassed at the over the top comic bookness of the whole thing.

Again, when the character was originally conceived, there was no batcave, no Robin, no over-the-top comic bookness of the whole thing. Just a guy with a suit and a chip on his shoulder fighting criminals.

He wants to make the Godfather but he wants to do it with a comic book character and I find it a little incongruous with the source material.

Well then, how come you give X-Men a pass? Where's all the space alien stuff? Where's Mister Sinister, or the Sentinels (that one in the danger room doesn't count)? What, was Bryan Singer embarrassed of Asteroid M and all the gaudy costumes?

The X-Men were so much more than teen angst and thinly veiled anti-racism, you know.

He's a rich mama's boy who had all the time and money in the universe to train, to become "the bat" and does it solely for revenge. He didn't give a fuck about Gotham, he only wanted to avenge mommy and daddy. And he trained, learned martial arts, and all that jazz because of his mommy and daddy's money.

Here are a few realistic scenarios. Bruce Wayne watches his parents get murdered and:

1. He's scarred for life, but he's sheltered by Alfred and his father's associates until he gets older. When he finally gets his hands on Daddy's money, he becomes an absolute mess of a human being. Booze, broads, parties and drugs day in and out. He has multiple run-ins with the law because he doesn't give a fuck, and he knows he's too rich and protected to get in any real trouble. His exploits transform him into a tabloid celebrity, and he gets his own reality TV show, milking his dysfunction until he finally crashes & burns.

2. He can't let it go, so he uses Daddy's money to have Joe Chill bumped off. Not having ever properly grieved, his life still spirals out of control as in the above scenario.

3. He never lets go of his anger, but he learns to deal with it well enough to lead a normal life. When he gets older, he leverages his father's money, connections, and reputation into a political career, starting with the mayoralty of Gotham City. He gets absolutely militant on crime and police corruption, cleans up the city, and becomes the new darling of the Republican party. He moves on to national politics, and makes it his life's mission to set draconian anti-crime policy (in fact, this would probably have been a more effective strategy than doing the whole Batman thing in the first place).

4. He learns to cope, carries on his father's work, and becomes a successful businessman. He exorcises his demons by dedicating his spare time to community activism and philanthropy.

What's not a realistic scenario is for Bruce Wayne to watch his parents get murdered, give up a comfortable life and dedicate himself to training for years and years, squander huge amounts of his inheritance on crime fighting gear, and spend the rest of his days battling psychopaths, corrupt officials, petty crooks, and all other manner of ne'er-do-well. He confounds his psychological damage so much with all the things he's done and seen that, by the time we see him as an old man in TDKR, he's pretty much completely flipped his shit and cast his lot in with a bunch of fascist thugs.

I clearly can't vote here because I'm not a comic book fan-boy. I like super hero movies that stretch the genre.
1. Dark Knight and Batman Begins. I don't care if Dark Knight and Batman Begins "aren't real super hero" movies. Dark Knight is on my top 10 movies of all time list. None of the other comic book movies come close.
2. Kick Ass. This is the only R rated movie I let my 15 year old watch. Kick Ass is an incredibly fun movie. I wanted to go as Big Daddy for Halloween last year but I'm afraid most of my neighbors would think it was a bad Batman costume.
3. Scott Pilgrim. As JonJacob said Speed Racer was better but Speed Racer isn't a superhero. Still Scott Pilgrim was a really fun movie.
4. I didn't think of the Incredibles but I enjoyed that better than Spider-man or Xmen.
5. Spider-man #1 and #2. Ok I'll jump on the Spider-man band wagon. Excellent character development back-story.
I'll be seeing the Avengers this weekend so maybe it can crack the top 5.
Honorable mention. X-Men movies were pretty good. I enjoyed the Watchmen when I saw it the movie theater but I have no interest in watching it again.

mjl1783 wrote:

So I agree that Batman rocks but he is so much more then just a cop and Nolan is clearly embarrassed at what makes Batman - Batman.

In the earliest Batman comics, that is all he was; a very skilled detective who could fight really well, and had a few not all that special gadgets. Hell, he didn't even do that much fighting.

He's embarrassed about the Giant penny and model T-Rex in the Batcave, he's embarrassed at Robin, he's embarrassed at the over the top comic bookness of the whole thing.

Again, when the character was originally conceived, there was no batcave, no Robin, no over-the-top comic bookness of the whole thing. Just a guy with a suit and a chip on his shoulder fighting criminals.

He wants to make the Godfather but he wants to do it with a comic book character and I find it a little incongruous with the source material.

Well then, how come you give X-Men a pass? Where's all the space alien stuff? Where's Mister Sinister, or the Sentinels (that one in the danger room doesn't count)? What, was Bryan Singer embarrassed of Asteroid M and all the gaudy costumes?

The X-Men were so much more than teen angst and thinly veiled anti-racism, you know.

Well, mj, your focusing on my throw away criticisms and not the one's I labeled 1st and 2nd. None the less point taken. As for how Detective comics looked in the begining... shit. No one reads those and like I said Batman only becomes interesting once Neil Adams got ahold of him. Believe me if Superman wasn't flying and was instead leaping buildings in a single bound.. people would be pissed off. Just like no one cares about X-Men until Claremount got ahold of them.

As for X2 I give it a pass because they don't fuck up the main character. If Professor X talked like Daffy Duck and wore a stupid suit of armour I'd have problems. Just don't fuck up the main character and your already in good shape. Nolan did everything he could to make a great movie with his shitty Batman and he did a great job. He just needs to fire Bale is all.

Well, mj, your focusing on my throw away criticisms and not the one's I labeled 1st and 2nd.

What, the voice? I guess I didn't bother to focus on that because it's so utterly trivial. There's a perfectly logical reason for the voice. Could they have done it better? Maybe. Does it make sense for him for him to use it when he's alone with Morgan Freeman? No. It's such a minor flaw, and it's only really noticeable in the 2nd movie, so if that's really ruining the movie for you, I don't know what to fucking tell you.

As far as the suit goes... it's the fucking Batman suit. There's no way to put that suit on film without having it look either ridiculous or overly bulky. It's not like they could've put the guy in spandex and have it look convincing. It looks like clunky ass body armor because the guy is anticipating that he will get shot while wearing it.

Can't turn his head and talks weirdly? Seriously? These are the things that are chapping your ass about those movies? Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.

As for how Detective comics looked in the begining... shit. No one reads those and like I said Batman only becomes interesting once Neil Adams got ahold of him. No one reads those and like I said Batman only becomes interesting once Neil Adams got ahold of him.

Hey, those were the ones that ended up in all the trade paperbacks, so that's mostly what I read. That and the Miller stories. How much you want to bet there are a hell of a lot more people out there whose experience with the character is closer to mine than yours?

So no, they didn't fuck up the main character. They just didn't deliver the iteration of him you wanted. Hell, I wanted the Gordon from Year One instead of the one we got in the two movies. Doesn't mean they fucked up that character.

As for X2 I give it a pass because they don't fuck up the main character. If Professor X talked like Daffy Duck and wore a stupid suit of armour I'd have problems.

I don't know that we were watching the same movie, because from where I'm sitting, Wolverine is the main character of that series, and whether or not they "fucked him up" depends on which comics you were reading before hand. On the other hand, Rogue damn sure wasn't a 15 year-old emo kid in the comics, so they did kind of fuck her up. Sabretooth wasn't a total pushover, either.