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What happened to "Mayday! Mayday!" Humour article?
Their just 'puters, man. People...well, they're people. And that's what matters, right?
... WHAT! You mean to tell me that they're not the same thing?
But you guys only exist when I turn my computer on.
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Alright, I am never allowed to post this early in the morning ever again.
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Notwithstanding the "Fagdome Affair", which was a pariah by all standards, people have been more courteous. No Scissors v. Barnes v. Skeletor moments in a long time. No bitching or whining about the vast overuse of the word pedantry. Nothing. Hell, I haven't even published anyone's CV/resume.
So, this is certainly a mountain out of a molehill, sorry Simon for disagreeing. I just don't see it.
Regarding Octavian, you have to accept that he is, by definition, a polarizing character. Some people loathe him to an unhealthy degree. Some people like him. There's really no reason to give a shit about it. It's his job, well or poorly done, to keep the natives at bay on TOS, and in doing so, he's going to piss people off. Deal with it. I'm not his biggest fan and have been banned by him a total of 6 or 7 times, but I can understand that people like him.
So, in short, I don't get Simon's point. Things seem to have smoothed considerably.
Just like Gary Coleman, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks...
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Am I the only one who owns an iPad, used to have a Mac at work, and did Macintosh support for about a year and a half, who doesn't feel the need strongly either way to tear into someone over the subject?
If you are telling the truth Ken .... then YES , you are in a club of your own as an Apple computer user
Now you've done it - Apple HQ have just sent out a signal to the self-destruct chip, that's installed in every Apple appliance (the one that sits beside the much larger 'induce paranoia' chip), in your iPad ... don't bother wasting your time turning it on, you and it are now dead to them )))That's all I'm saying. Their just 'puters, man. People...well, they're people. And that's what matters, right?
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You are wrong.From a relative newcomer's perspective, allow me to say this: The tone has indeed changed; it's softened considerably.
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Eugene is my home boy!
I haven't noticed a change lately around here, but I usually only read threads that sound relevant to my interests, and I also adhere to JonJacob and Steve Avery's school of thought:
JonJacob wrote:
This is the internets. If you start taking stuff you read in forums seriously, you're going to get offended. Period. Good communication between two different people is hard enough in real life; reduce it to expressionless little blurbs of text in a forum and it just doesn't make a lot of sense to get all huffy and offended about it. That's my mantra anyway.I think taking a page out of Avery's book is a good idea. The whole idea of communicating on line with semi-strangers is a bit of a joke anyway so there's no reason to take any of it very seriously.
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You are wrong.From a relative newcomer's perspective, allow me to say this: The tone has indeed changed; it's softened considerably.
I agree with Bullwinkle, Simon, Tom, as well as several others who have expressed this concern to me privately. I feel that some members seem have lost the ability to distinguish between debate/the expression of strong opinions, and ugly, vulgar name calling. The former is interesting to read, and makes you think, even when you may not entirely agree with the writer. The later is lazy, off-putting, strangles discussion, and hijacks threads such that other people are unable to continue discussing the original topic.
I think some members have also lost the ability to distinguish the boundary between playful trash talk, and hostile attacks.
Unfortunately, as this behavior has increased over the past few months, we have lost the participation of many of our more reasonable, mature, interesting, witty and thoughtful members, and with them, a great deal of the substantive discussion and nuanced humor that once defined and distinguished Fortress: Ameritrash.
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Should be easy to tailor your online experiences to make the most out of them and avoid the conversations that are just going to piss you off, but then again look at how folks used to ALWAYS engage Weeks instead of just simply ignoring him. But then some folks found value in him beyond amusement I guess.
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Anyway, I've noticed the increased (non-productive) bullshit level here as well. There's been no softening of tone, but definitely an increase in the give-shit-but-can't-take-it attitudes. And the petty sniping.
I think some folks need to learn how to give up a fucking grudge once in a while. (If you think I'm talking about you, I probably am. There's a surprisingly large number of recent things that statement applies to.)
If giving up a grudge off the board isn't AT, then I'm going to have to turn in my card as well.
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