"rebooting" of recent games?

San Il Defanso wrote: But Pete, the Master set actually gave plenty of good value for everyone. It had six new races, and that alone would have cost $60 full retail if they'd been packaged seperately. And for those of us who never got on the premium board train, it was an even better deal.

Hey Nate, read the original post.

"What games are getting a reboot treatment"

It didn't have anything to do with value, it was just asking what was rebooted.

Egg Shen wrote: One game that comes to mind is Dungeon Twister.

I remember when I first started getting back into boardgames DT was a game I saw at every hobby shop I went into. Not only the base game, but a couple of expansions as well. Well I held off buying the game for a few years. When I finally did acquire it I believe they announced DT: Prison shortly after, which was basically a second edition/reboot. This didn't piss me off because I saw that it had upgraded components,solo rules etc...it looked like a great version of the game. I snapped up DT: Prison shortly after it came out and I decided to never expand my 1st edition base game.

Well the thing that aggravates me, is that there has been literally zero support for DT: Prison. Not one damn expansion. Now most of the DT stuff is OOP and fairly hard to find. I've heard grumblings for a while that we will finally start seeing "blister pack" expansions in 2012. I'm certainly not holding my breath though.

ES: Prison is fully compatible with the other expansions, and the figures that go with the expansions that already exist for the original DT were always available after Prison went into production.

www.nobleknight.com/ViewProducts.asp_Q_P...ID_E_16_A_GenreID_E_

It's not that DT2: Twister didn't get support, it's that so much existed for DT to begin with it really didn't NEED support.

In retrospect, I wish I hadn't caved in as I had almost all the expansions and everything at one point. It's just that nobody wanted to play it anymore.

Isn't the Master Set compatible with previous Summoner Wars releases? If so, it's no more a reboot than something like Dominion: Intrigue or Seaside.

I don't think that the Master Set IS a reboot though. It's an expansion, pure and simple.

SuperflyTNT wrote:

Egg Shen wrote: One game that comes to mind is Dungeon Twister.

I remember when I first started getting back into boardgames DT was a game I saw at every hobby shop I went into. Not only the base game, but a couple of expansions as well. Well I held off buying the game for a few years. When I finally did acquire it I believe they announced DT: Prison shortly after, which was basically a second edition/reboot. This didn't piss me off because I saw that it had upgraded components,solo rules etc...it looked like a great version of the game. I snapped up DT: Prison shortly after it came out and I decided to never expand my 1st edition base game.

Well the thing that aggravates me, is that there has been literally zero support for DT: Prison. Not one damn expansion. Now most of the DT stuff is OOP and fairly hard to find. I've heard grumblings for a while that we will finally start seeing "blister pack" expansions in 2012. I'm certainly not holding my breath though.

ES: Prison is fully compatible with the other expansions, and the figures that go with the expansions that already exist for the original DT were always available after Prison went into production.

www.nobleknight.com/ViewProducts.asp_Q_P...ID_E_16_A_GenreID_E_

It's not that DT2: Twister didn't get support, it's that so much existed for DT to begin with it really didn't NEED support.

In retrospect, I wish I hadn't caved in as I had almost all the expansions and everything at one point. It's just that nobody wanted to play it anymore.

I suppose you're correct. Also I looked again today and it appears that the first edition stuff is still out there if you look, except for the 3/4 player expansion. I understand that its all compatible, but why go make that nice fancy 2nd Edition then? Also those resin figures for the base game and original expansion cost more than the price of DT: Prison!

I happen to really enjoy DT...it is a really fantastic game, but for some reason it never really caught on with the boardgame community. Sure it has some vocal fans, but as a whole the brand never really seemed to be that popular. I hope there is still life in the game since I would certainly support the 2nd edition stuff. If they don't get their asses in gear soon, I'll just snap up all the first edition stuff and not bother expanding DT: Prison.

San Il Defanso wrote: I don't think that the Master Set IS a reboot though. It's an expansion, pure and simple.

Originally, you could buy one of two two-pack starters.

Then, you could buy the premium board.

Then you could buy a whole fuckton of expansion packs.

Now, it comes with a box, comes with the bits, comes with 6 new expansions and the board you could buy separately, it has storage to hold all of the other decks (including the original starters).

It's listed as a game, too, not an expansion, in the Summoner Wars family.
boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/93260/summoner-wars-master-set

It's a reboot.

Had Colby the money and the confidence up front to produce this, I'm 100% sure that he would've produced this. But with the limited resources and the huge risk involved, he did the staters and used the model he started with because that was his option.

Now he's established, he's doing it balls-to-the-walls, with the proper board, with a proper box and awesome production values.

Reboot.

bfkiller wrote: Isn't the Master Set compatible with previous Summoner Wars releases? If so, it's no more a reboot than something like Dominion: Intrigue or Seaside.

I use the plastic meeples with my Stronghold Survive set. They're the same game. Does that mean that the Survive! set from Stronghold isn't a reboot?

Still not buying it Pete, but it's not a point that's worth really hashing out.

I don't really mind reboots anyway, I'm mostly just moaning about the Puzzle Strike do-over because I just bought a set that was supposed to fix it six months ago. New editions and reboots are fine to me. I don't even have a problem with component upgrades either. The 5-6 player expansion for Survive is exactly what it says. Even the Premium Board for Summoner Wars is just a cosmetic upgrade. I'm totally fine with that.

I do wish that publishers would let things settle for a little while before they actually start redoing stuff. Thunderstone is a good example of that. I like the game a lot, but I just can't muster up the interest to get into the Advance line because I quite literally just got into the old game in the past few months.

Not selling it, Nate. Just telling you how it is. I mean, I could probably call Colby and ask him, but he just got back from PAX and he's busy as shit. Probably not worth it to settle some bullshit internet debate that doesn't really account for dick in the grand scheme of things.

I guess I just kind of got it in my head that it's a reboot due to this...
drakesflames.blogspot.com/2011/10/kick-a...w-summoner-wars.html
"If you need an example of how to release a reboot, just take a gander at Plaid Hat Games"
"Some companies, when they want to remake an older-but-successful game, just reprint it, and maybe add some rules. Not the case with Summoner Wars. The new Summoner Wars Master Set can be used as-is to play the game, but it's also a must-have if you're a fan of the game. If you've never bought any Summoner Wars, the Master Set is a great place to jump in, and if you're already a fan, you're going to want it badly enough to donate sperm..."

www.gameshark.com/features/867/p_10/Crac...aster-Set-Review.htm
"This is a $50 big-box product that doesn’t just repackage the game in a different format, but it also introduces six all-new factions along with a 2.0 rules set and a mounted board instead of the shoddy paper maps of the starter sets."

"But for right now the Master Set is a victory lap for Plaid Hat Games, a celebration of a great game that those who appreciate its refined design will enjoy for years to come."

fortressat.com/index.php/reviews-toc/291...all-legend-of-drizzt

"I'll be honest, when I first heard that Summoner Wars was getting a Deluxe Master Set, I assumed that it would likely take the same tact as other boardgaming companies would. That is, print a bigger box and a mounted board, reprint some of the exisiting starter armies and pack them in, and oh, slap a couple of new "starter exclusive" armies just to compel those sitting on the fence to actually sink the coin just for two new armies.

With Plaid Hat Games, I should have known better. The Summoner Wars Master Set is a boxed set made by a gamer, for gamers. Made by a gamer who understands the term "value", a word tossed around far too easily in the modern boardgaming marketplace."



Anyhow, I dig reboots. If something was good once, and someone breathes new life into it, shit, there's no downside. You don't dig it, don't buy it. Creative people creating something new, fresh, and exciting, even if it's not my particular cup of tea, is always better than not making anything positive.

People were RAVING about Puzzle Strike months ago, now it needs "fixed" wtf are you people talking about. It's like me loving the hell out of Temple of Chac, then in a month or two saying it needs fixed.

Puzzle Strike does not need a fix. The game is fine as is. It is true that most strategies rely too heavily on the purple chips but that's only until you understand the game... apparently it's also true that some characters are too powerfull against certain other characters. But it's at such a deep level of play that I cannot attest to it's truth. The upgrade pack introduced a plus action chip that would improve the game and more balanced versions of the characters... that's the "fix" people are talking about but you'd have to be pretty anal to think it's neccessary. The game is great right out of the box.

Pete, a reboot involves stopping something and then starting it anew. Reboots pretty much replace the original. Previous Summoner Wars sets aren't "stopped" or replaced. I just got the Master Set and I plan on (eventually) getting the previous Summoner Wars games. I also own Dominion: Intrigue, and will probably also get the original Dominion someday. Like the Master Set, Intrigue is an expansion that also acts as a standalone game. The Master Set is unique in that it's got more and better components than the original, but it's still one of those new breeds of expansions that can be played by itself.

(Perhaps "another member of a family of games" is a more accurate way to describe the Master Set or the various Dominion sets than reboot or expansion.)

I totally disagree. But again, why are you two dying to be right? I disagree. We can agree to disagree, as friends.

SuperflyTNT wrote: I totally disagree. But again, why are you two dying to be right? I disagree. We can agree to disagree, as friends.

Uh, where do you get that I am dying to be right any more or less than you?

The title of the thread says "rebooting" but people are using the word differently. Makes the conversation kinda awkward if people aren't on the same page at the outset. Anyways, I'm using this as my definition:

dictionary.com wrote: reboot definition

A term that comes from computer usage. To reboot a computer is to start it up again after a computer crash. Hence, “reboot” has the connotation of starting a process over again.

Fair enough.

In my mind, a reboot is any situation where a item is being re-imagined, dead or alive, or it's being reiterated in some fashion or another. This can be a brand as well, like when McDonalds "rebooted" their entire operations and marketing efforts which resulted in the McCafe style restaurant.

Something doesn't need to be dead to be rebooted, it just needs to be underdeveloped or underperforming. Or both.