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We should be paying attention to Unbroken
And then this happened:
boardgamegeek.com/article/32379524#32379524
The publisher began doxxing and using personal information from BackerKit to text any backer who bothered to complain and sending "let's talk outside" threats of litigation. Anyone who mentioned this behavior in, say, a video review, has also been threatened.
This isn't "yet another post" complaining about KS delays or toxicity, or even the self-entitled behavior of someone who has already taken your money in a Faustian deal for your product allegiance via sunk cost, etc.
I'm actually concerned that the prototype of a monster has been created here, and that the lack of consumer protection in KS has now begun to cross the line into legally shady territory.
I think that the manner in which this behavior is being treated should actually give anyone here pause before backing any Kickstarter project and/or any publisher using BackerKit as a service. This is the canary in a coal mine that has now shown itself to be much nastier than I personally expected.
Why?
Because neither Kickstarter nor BackerKit will provide any recourse when a publisher uses your personal information to doxx and harass you. KS & BackerKit also have your money, and that’s apparently where the transaction and accountability end. They simply do not care.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2232795/backerkit-response
This has now effectively killed my use of the platform, which is really unfortunate since there are legitimately good products coming out of it. But I just can't continue to support anything that tacitly allows a service provider or publisher to do this to a consumer. This has gone from “hey, buying a product that doesn’t exist is a risk” to “giving these people your personal information is a risk.”
I know this shuts out lots of creators & publishers who don’t even come close to doing something like this, but those intermediaries who’ll gladly take your credit card & personal deets, store them indefinitely and share them, & then basically wash their hands of any accountability are thriving on ethically murky territory here. Regulation will probably catch up some day, but until then, I don’t feel like I should contribute to their success.
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The absolute worst part of this is that it hurts the small creators with no record the most, as that's who's the biggest risk of doing this. I mean, CMON and greaterthan are not going to dox you, you've already seen product and designs from them and it isn't the business plan.
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USPS doesn’t fuck around.
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n815e wrote: That should be reported.
USPS doesn’t fuck around.
It was. That's one of the things that triggered this debacle.
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I'll argue the opposite of the subject line. We should ignore this and move on to success stories. This is reality TV with a boardgame tie-in.
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From now on I'm going to go through "normal" retail channels or designers who self-publish.
Hell, even if I submit a transaction through the infamous Jeff Bezos, at least I know that Amazon won't just let a retailer use my personal number to harass me if I give their product a negative review. That was the whiplash moment for me, Sag. When this cottage industry of intermediaries with buyers' personal info just sort of stood back and did nothing. Party's over.
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This comment on BGG reeks of shadiness so bad it's (almost) laughable.
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gversace wrote: What is your expected response from Kickstarter and/or Backerkit?
That they'll contact the FBI.
Kidding.
I just expect them to enforce their privacy policy and/or terms of use by banning people who knowingly violate those policies. It's not that complicated. Either have a clear policy and enforce it or don't have one.
www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use
"3. Things You Definitely Shouldn’t Do"
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"Don’t abuse other users’ personal information. When you use Kickstarter — and especially if you create a successful project — you may receive information about other users, including things like their names, email addresses, and postal addresses. This information is provided for the purpose of participating in a Kickstarter project: don’t use it for other purposes, and don’t abuse it. "
They make the language vague here, I think, because they're appealing to the ethical spidey sense of creators and don't want to go into deep legalese. "Other purposes" and "don't abuse it" aren't totally defined. This indicates, at least to me, that there may be no actual intent to enforce this and that should probably change.
For BackerKit, their privacy policy is almost entirely centered on what *they* (or third party platforms under their hood) do with your information:
www.backerkit.com/privacy_policy
That's great, except they have no such hawkish, explicitly stated policies for... you know... the party they *always* share your personal information with. So... again, they should either have privacy policy that has teeth to it, or it's basically a free-for-all.
Their terms of service positively define appropriate use of backer info:
"B.Project Creators may use BackerKit to communicate to Platform Backers the means by which they can make additional pledges(BackerKit Pledges), or communicate to Users the means by which they can make pledges(BackerKit Pledges).In these occurrences, Backers may use BackerKit as a means of interfacing with third - party payment services and may use BackerKit to cause third - party Payment services to collect payment information.In these instances, Project Creators may then also use BackerKit to interface with third - party Payment services to cause those third - party Payment services to collect funds from BackerKit Backers.BackerKit then allows Project Creators to format and present that information in useful, ready - to - use formats."
But they don't negatively define what's beyond the pale. So this doesn't deter the types who'll do something and say "hey, it's not stated that I *can't* do it in the rules manual, so I'm doing it." You know that type.
So yeah, the wording on these policies is a bit... loose and obviously written with some assumptions of good faith on the part of creators/publishers. I expect them to eventually clarify and enforce, or announce that they'll do no such thing.
As for enforcement, again, I don't expect them to hunt violators down with legal threats, etc. A ban policy doesn't seem unreasonable to me, however. What would be my hypothetical expected response from Amazon if one of their vendors started doxxing or texting me with threats? Oh, I dunno... anything? Anything would be good. So why should I hold these other information brokers to different standards? They collect the same data. If the chain of trust that allows their own service to function begins to break, they should probably put on their big boy pants and set up a clearly worded policy that strengthens it.
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