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Learning to be an evil hacker...

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13 Apr 2013 14:14 #150239 by ThirstyMan
I was a bit bored last week so I started to learn a bit more about computing. In particular, learning the UNIX OS and brushing up on my programming. Then I looked into breaking WPA PSK password protected networks which seemed a fun thing to do.

I live in an apartment building with maybe 6 other apartments, most with wifi routers, so I thought it might be fun to hack everyones passwords and then let them know what they needed to do to make their network more secure. Kind of like being a good neighbour.

Turns out the only person with any password sense is me!! I have a 13 digit password mixture of random letters and numbers. Totally impossible to hack. They have passwords like 'password' and 'me' and 'kuwait' and 'secret22'. My dictionary attack, after I'd sniffed the handshake to the router, took a maximum of 2 minutes for any of them. I let them all know the importance of long passwords with mixtures of caps, lowercase and numbers, at least 9 characters long....same for banking passwords.

Next job is to hack into my colleges management system BEFORE they open a student portal next year, just to show them how insecure their network is. As we become very dependent on the network and the system, I think it's pretty important they know the weaknesses. I'm pretty sure, it will amount to the same thing though...pathetic password practice from the user base.

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13 Apr 2013 14:20 #150240 by Erik Twice
Have you read "Surely, you are joking Mr Feynman"? Feynman discovered he could easily open any cabinet in the base, including those with the most sensitive information about the atomic bomb because workers left the drawers open, showing the mechanism and the first two numbers of the combination for the drawer on top.

The director just sent everyone a note saying "Don't allow Feynman to get close to your drawers".

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13 Apr 2013 14:33 #150241 by ThirstyMan
Yes, I have read that. Social engineering hacking is, of course, the easiest type to do. Call up someone in the company, tell them you're from IT and that you are testing security so you need their access codes. This is easily the commonest type of hacking (outside opening attachments that say things like 'look at this amusing cat video').

PS In case I forget, FUCK THATCHER, the most divisive British politician of the 20th Century. My grandparents, who were working class but very right wing (racist and everything) only hated one group more than Thatcher and that was the IRA. They hated them even more when they failed to assassinate her. Not only were they terrorists but they were incompetent terrorists!!
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13 Apr 2013 14:55 #150242 by ChristopherMD
Pretty sure in the USA that good intentions don't make hacking someones network any less illegal.

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13 Apr 2013 14:59 #150243 by ThirstyMan
Good job I don't live in the USA then!!

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13 Apr 2013 15:29 #150244 by Chapel
Using WPA or WEP today is insane. I'm surprised routers still use it. WPA2 with AES with WPS disabled is the only way to go.

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13 Apr 2013 17:53 #150245 by ThirstyMan
All of the routers I cracked today had WPA with AES (btw that is WPA2). No one was using WEP and I didn't even look for WPS as I assume everyone here is using new routers where that option is not available anyway. I certainly don't have the option to enable WPS on my router.

The weakness is always the password. Doesn't matter what the encoding is, if you have a password less than 8 (or so) characters, your router can be hacked (although most wouldn't spend the time to hack an 8 char password). Like I say, here the norm is 4 chars, at best. Two minutes max to find it.

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13 Apr 2013 18:45 #150246 by SaMoKo

ThirstyMan wrote: PS In case I forget, FUCK THATCHER, the most divisive British politician of the 20th Century. My grandparents, who were working class but very right wing (racist and everything) only hated one group more than Thatcher and that was the IRA. They hated them even more when they failed to assassinate her. Not only were they terrorists but they were incompetent terrorists!!


With all of her tax cuts to the rich, can one of them afford to cut off her head, stuff her neck with garlic, and bury her in a spruce box on hallowed ground?

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14 Apr 2013 00:55 - 14 Apr 2013 00:56 #150250 by Dogmatix

SaMoKo wrote: With all of her tax cuts to the rich, can one of them afford to cut off her head, stuff her neck with garlic, and bury her in a spruce box on hallowed ground?

My old man offered to do that to Richard Nixon's corpse for free. First words out of his mouth when ol' Dick's funeral telecast started was: "How the fuck can we be sure he's dead with a closed casket? I need to see the stake!"

I'm surprised they didn't disinter Reagan's corpse so they could shove Lady Iron Britches' head back up his ass, this time to stay for all eternity.
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14 Apr 2013 06:44 - 14 Apr 2013 06:46 #150256 by ThirstyMan
Have since found out, from friends, that some routers come with a factory generated 16 char code which you don't need to change. Does anyone know if these are truly random and different for all users? Seems like it might be expensive for the company to hardcode a different password into every model. Maybe my friends misunderstood. Would there be any reason for someone to change that password? I didn't encounter any passwords as long as this in my 'travels' (I know that because I found all the passwords). Just interested.

Number one on the UK hit parade at the moment is 'Ding Dong The Witch is Dead' from Wizard of Oz. The BBC are refusing to play more than 5s of this song, at any one time, on the grounds that 'it is divisive and shows lack of respect for the dead'.
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14 Apr 2013 13:44 #150262 by jeb
I run a completely open Wifi network. The only "security" measure I take is a non-visible SSID. Have at, wardrivers! Because Wifi networks are so easily cracked, I would rather it look like my network is wide open and someone is porning it up than have it look like it's locked down and someone is porning it up.

www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement

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14 Apr 2013 14:55 #150265 by Sagrilarus
The beauty of an open network or a crackable one is that if you get a C&D for something you can claim you were compromised.

My cable WiFi box came with one seriously ugly default WPA2 password on it and I was instructed it was not changeable by the installer. It was on a sticker on the unit so I'm presuming it was unique to my box or at a minimum random.

I run a 26 character password on a WEP network but with my router in the basement I likely have more security than most WPA2 networks -- my signal doesn't reach the street.

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14 Apr 2013 15:26 #150266 by ThirstyMan

jeb wrote: I run a completely open Wifi network. The only "security" measure I take is a non-visible SSID. Have at, wardrivers! Because Wifi networks are so easily cracked, I would rather it look like my network is wide open and someone is porning it up than have it look like it's locked down and someone is porning it up.

www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement


That is an excellent article, Jeb. Thanks for that.

Wouldn't really work here where everyone is apparently born selfish and appears to be unable to appreciate that other people actually live around them. The concept of doing something decent without any net gain to yourself is totally alien in a culture rooted in mercantile trading (where everyone is trying to shaft everyone else).

Folk here park while totally ignoring their immediate surroundings. So what if I block you in...I need the space. If you go to a supermarket and the car park is small, well, just don't park there because you'll never get out.

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14 Apr 2013 17:56 #150274 by Erik Twice
The tradegy of the commons is that if I pay for an internet connection my neighbour has no incentive to keep one, instead choosing to leech. This is not sustainable. Asking for people to keep their networks open is like asking everyone not to rob and steal, nice but pointless.

The idea that you are doing a great good by letting a random stranger with no phone connection get on the internet because he's lost or in an absolute emergency is also very silly and exagerated, it's not like you die if you don't have an internet connection.

Of course, if you really think it's so important the best measure is to campaign for more public networks in parks, public buildings and buses, not to open private ones.

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15 Apr 2013 00:57 - 15 Apr 2013 00:59 #150285 by Sagrilarus

Erik Twice wrote: The tradegy of the commons is that if I pay for an internet connection my neighbour has no incentive to keep one, instead choosing to leech.


The tragedy of the commons in this scenario is that there is a limited amount of EM spectrum and all are using it to their own personal profit (read this from the provider's perspective more than the subscribers) at the expense of others. The use of radio spectrum for Internet connectivity may be the single most wasteful use of a common resource as I have seen in my lifetime. People streaming the same album over and over instead of retaining a local copy, and the wireless companies indicate they need more spectrum.

In the more specific case you raise, you can open your network to your neighbor for the cost of a case of beer each month by giving him your access code. You share and both prosper. He doesn't have incentive to buy a network connection, but he does have an incentive to buy you beer. That seems like a pretty solid set of common goals if you ask me.

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