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INGLOURIUS BASTERDS

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24 Aug 2009 11:55 #38937 by Michael Barnes
Anybody see INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS over the weekend?

Now, I'm not much a Tarantino fan. I liked KILL BILL and PULP FICTION was good for its time although it hasn't held up, but I find his endless references to the movies that he and I both have seen very tiring. I also think he's a gimmicky director that has more tricks than confidence.

However, INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS was a masterpiece. I think it's the best film of the year, and it's definitely his most assured and confident film to date. There's a lot less trickery and more raw and very entertaining filmwork, and the references to other movies were so obscure that they'll sail right over the heads of all but the most ridiculuous film nerds (Antonio Margerheti? Emil Jannings? Winnetou?). It's not a big action picture like the trailers seemed to suggest, and it's not a war movie at all. It's almost like a hybrid of a spaghetti western, the "men on a mission" film, and a Hitchcockian suspense picture. It's one of the more tense films I've seen in a while and it's all done through dialogue. Long, extended dialogue scenes with multiple layers and agendas resulting in explosive or shocking outcomes.

Cast was uniformly great, whoever that dude was that played SS colonel Hans Landa should win an Oscar. Brad Pitt chews every piece of scenery he can find as Aldo Raine (hmm...Aldo Ray?) and even though we only see a brief sample of the Basterds in action, it's one of those kinds of things where you imagine their exploits almost like legends. You don't need to see more of what they do. Even Eli Roth was pretty cool in the film.

And yes, I _loved_ the 1980s music video part with the Bowie song. It was totally appropriate. Out of chronology, yes. But it completely worked.

There's one moment...and this is a spoiler so stop reading now...that I thought was as profound a statement on the power of cinema as anything that has ever been filmed. When Shoshanna shoots Zoller and looks out to see him on the screen and then back at his body...that was incredible. I got goosebumps.

Anyway, if you've seen it, let's rap. If you haven't you should go see it now. Just don't expect some kind of WWII film, it's not about WWII at all. The tank skirt brigade should just stay home.

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24 Aug 2009 12:03 - 24 Aug 2009 12:09 #38940 by Schweig!
Replied by Schweig! on topic Re:INGLOURIUS BASTERDS
I was very disappointed after seeing the trailer. It seemed to be another violence porno just like Kill Bill. I hate that crap. And seemingly Til Schweiger plays a bigger role, which always indicates a bad movie. (Shit, only now I notice the similarity with my user name.) However, I've read a few good reviews now. Guess I'll have to go watch it after all.

The guy who plays Landa is called Christoph Waltz.
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24 Aug 2009 12:05 - 24 Aug 2009 12:16 #38943 by Juniper
Replied by Juniper on topic Re:INGLOURIUS BASTERDS
I saw it, and quite enjoyed it, but it is not even close to being a masterpiece, IMO. I'm hesitant to say more than that, because my critique of the movie would be intensely spoilerific.

I hate every movie that people on this site like, though.

I finally took the time to watch THE LIVES OF OTHERS recently. I've owned it on DVD since forever. Now THAT'S a great movie.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that it's a good movie; entertaining, stylish, and thought provoking. It just doesn't happen to be a masterpiece, as far as I can tell.

To Schweig: It's not violence porn like KILL BILL (especially VOL 1). Man, I hated KILL BILL VOL 1. There are a couple of intense scenes, though. One of them literally made me feel like I was going to through up, but I'm a wimpy sensitive artsy type, so that happens a lot.
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24 Aug 2009 12:10 #38945 by ubarose
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I was really looking forward to seeing this, but all the reviews were so uniformly negative, that we went to see District 9 instead.

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24 Aug 2009 12:27 #38949 by blarknob
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I absolutely loved it.

It made me uncomfortable the entire time I watched it, the tension it built was just insane. I found myself laughing and being bothered by what I was laughing at.

It was wonderful.

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24 Aug 2009 14:58 #38983 by Juniper
Replied by Juniper on topic Re:INGLOURIUS BASTERDS
SPOILERS BELOW! DO NOT READ!

Here's my critique of the film which, as I've already said, I quite enjoyed. However, it is not a masterpiece because...

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24 Aug 2009 15:35 #38991 by Michael Barnes
Ah, but see, I think you're missing the point that
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It doesn't matter than Shoshanna
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It was really Landa's
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at least on a personal level. But as is one of the themes in the film, when you're truly evil you're branded as such no matter what you do. And Landa was truly, unrepetantly evil with no agenda beyond his own soullessness.

And I do think it's significant that
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a whole brigade full of hard-ass action movie motherfuckers with zero morality and little characterization beyond 1) Jewish 2)on a mission 3)ruthless. The movie bears their name, but really they were operating outside the real action of the film.
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I think too that you've got to keep in mind that it is a movie about movies in a lot of ways, and elements like the Basterds are really kind of signifying placeholders than meaningful plot motivators.

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24 Aug 2009 15:48 #38995 by Space Ghost
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Michael Barnes wrote:


I think too that you've got to keep in mind that it is a movie about movies in a lot of ways, and elements like the Basterds are really kind of signifying placeholders than meaningful plot motivators.


It would be interesting to hear more about this. I fear I am too dense to recognize this on my own or be able to interpret it if I did.

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24 Aug 2009 16:03 #38998 by Michael Barnes
Well, they're not really critical to the plot in a lot of ways, and they're not the focus of the film despite what the trailers tell you. But they are essential, because the film is about movies, movie genres, and how movies affect us. The "men on a mission" thing is a classic movie trope, and it needs to be there for it to be what it is. We expect it, and it's there. But not in the way we expect. We never see Brad Pitt's character square off against Hitler. And we only really see them in action a couple of times, and out of the eight members we only ever really get to know half of them. But we know they're there throughout the film, like a legendary presence. They become (off screen) a major thorn in the Third Reich's side. They do have a role in the outcome, but they're not the heroes.

But yeah, all Tarantino movies are about "the movies", and this is no different. Cinema language and storytelling methods are all over the place, but it's much less gimmicky than usual for Tarantino.

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24 Aug 2009 16:38 - 24 Aug 2009 16:42 #39004 by Juniper
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Michael Barnes wrote:

Ah, but see, I think you're missing the point that

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It doesn't matter than Shoshanna
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I don't think I missed that point. I'm just saying that it was a bad dramatic choice. Tarantino works so hard at the construction of nail-biting suspense...

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It was really Landa's

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I disagree that...

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But part of the gag is that these hard-ass action movie motherfuckers are...

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I think too that you've got to keep in mind that it is a movie about movies in a lot of ways, and elements like the Basterds are really kind of signifying placeholders than meaningful plot motivators.


Like I said, I guess I don't understand their purpose.
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24 Aug 2009 17:23 #39008 by Juniper
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Just to balance my kvetching about the plot, here are some things I liked very much about the movie:

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25 Aug 2009 16:54 #39223 by Black Barney
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Saw it last night. Solid 9/10. Very good film. I bet it would be brutal to sit through a 2nd time but I'm not sure.

Tonight I'm off to see the Cove, yo

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25 Aug 2009 18:48 #39253 by Michael Barnes
You left out that in point #1 that he's wearing a cape, which made it even more awesome.

You know, I was going to continue the defense of the film but I realized that it's pointless. The movie was simply massively entertaining to me, I thought it scored on all the technicals and I really loved the screenplay. I just had an awesome time, and it was the first time where I felt that Tarantino really used what he learned from all those sleazy European post-war potboilers, Spaghetti Westerns, and semi-seedy pictures like THE NIGHT PORTER to good use rather than simply repeating what was already there. It's just a damn good time at the movies, and _that's_ what I liked the best about it.

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25 Aug 2009 19:02 #39254 by Juniper
Replied by Juniper on topic Re:INGLOURIUS BASTERDS
Michael Barnes wrote:

It's just a damn good time at the movies, and _that's_ what I liked the best about it.


We agree on that point.

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25 Aug 2009 21:08 #39265 by vandemonium
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Oh man... this is the first QT movie I haven't seen on opening weekend and now I am dying!

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