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TOPIC: Dune Reboot

Dune Reboot 15 Apr 2017 21:46 #246610

The director of "Arrival" has been signed to make a new version of Frank Herbert's Dune.

www.duneinfo.com/new-dune-movie

I wonder if this will affect the board game licensing in some way. I love the first three or four books, and even made sure to reread them when I was living in the gulf, but honestly I'm a little Duned out.Yes, I understand, the spice must flow. If the movie takes off, t's going to be difficult for those of us who loved Dune before it was cool.

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Dune Reboot 15 Apr 2017 21:55 #246613

I would be very happy if Dune became a popular IP, like I was happy with LOTR.
And I really hope that FFG gets the license to do a proper Dune reprint. They should tweak their Rex a little bit, but also have an option to play classic like in Merchants of Venus.

The only thing that turns me off is the director. So far, he hasn't done anything remotely entertaining. And I believe new Dune should be entertaining, because otherwise I can keep watching Lynch's version.
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Dune Reboot 15 Apr 2017 22:18 #246616

I'll believe it when I see it. This is like the umpteenth time someone has threatened to redo DUNE.
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Dune Reboot 16 Apr 2017 04:25 #246621

I was initially excited about this but I think making a single film (or three) is a mistake. It really needs the HBO serial treatment to flourish.
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Dune Reboot 16 Apr 2017 08:32 #246624

With apologies for choice language on an Easter morning:

I DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT DUNCAN IDAHO.

Also, I'm looking for a copy of Dune: Spice Harvest if anybody needs to let their box go...
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Dune Reboot 16 Apr 2017 09:07 #246625

Msample wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it. This is like the umpteenth time someone has threatened to redo DUNE.

I agree. I've been a member of HSX for over 12 years, and have had the Dune stock for nearly that amount of time. The movie license has transfered hands quite a bit.
At this point, its just another mountains of madness pipe dream.

I also agree with hex sinister. In this day and age of good premium serials, Dune deserves to be treated the same way at the very least. The industry has shown that there can be quality there.

But with the screenwriters guild nearing a strike, we may be set back a decade in this area. 2007 was a very dark time and the beginning of the dreaded 'split season' for television. So many good shows died that year...
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Dune Reboot 16 Apr 2017 09:40 #246627

Why? The Lynch version is perfect.
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Dune Reboot 16 Apr 2017 09:44 #246629

Peter Jackson threatened to do Dune as a 8 movie series similar to Harry Potter. He was going to add a love triangle beween a Harkonnan, the Emperor and a sand worm.
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Dune Reboot 16 Apr 2017 19:16 #246643

I don't think Dune would work as a TV show. Maybe a miniseries, but nothing like GOT. And I would prefer a blockbuster movie to a miniseries.
First of all, there's not as much going on on a chapter-per-chapter basis. There are strong pivotal events, but they're flagged way in advance and I want them to have cinematic treatment.
Also, unlike GoT, you don't have 100 secondary characters with their own backstories and family trees. It is all basically about 4-5 main characters and everybody else is a satellite to those. I don't want whoever adapts this to invent more secondary characters or drama for those.
Last but not the least, I think Dune should be visually grandiose, that's the only way a film can up the book. I started to crave a new Dune movie after watching Fury Road. The desert, the storm, Immortan Joe attire - those things made me think of how a new Dune could work on a visual level. This is not something a TV show can do just yet.
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Dune Reboot 16 Apr 2017 21:17 #246647

Legomancer wrote:
Why? The Lynch version is perfect.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. I am not a big fan of the books. I stopped after the first three, because I heard that the quality drops. The books offer some great ideas, but the pace drags. Or maybe the weight of the concepts in the stories causes me to slow down while reading. Anyway, the Lynch movie starts off well. Then about halfway through, the story just skims along, briefly touching on various plot points without time to do justice to them on the screen. Then there is the big duel, and it's over and there was really no time to tell the story at all.

If somebody thinks that they can improve on the Lynch movie by making a trilogy out of the first four books, I think that it is still likely to disappoint due to lack of time. A tv show would have the breathing room to really dig into the characters and ideas without resorting to windy exposition, but then budget would be a problem.

Overall, I would rather see someone develop another classic science-fiction or fantasy series, like Gibson's Sprawl trilogy or maybe Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser.
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Dune Reboot 16 Apr 2017 23:05 #246650

Agreed. It's very clear that Lynch not only was having trouble bringing the Herbert vision to the screen but that he was fighting the studio while doing it. The screenplay is disjointed and the emphasis on special effects (this was still in the post-Star Wars phase when most SF projects felt that super lazors were the only way to hit the big screen) gave many capable actors very little room to work. Plus the whole sound weapon thing was ridiculously pasted on. It's just bad. I think a TV series would be the way to go and the SciFi channel version actually did very well in that respect, considering the production values that they normally attach to things.

They wouldn't even have to do the whole Sprawl trilogy. They could just do a nice rendition of Neuromancer, which is already far-reaching enough, conceptually. Gibson's work would be pretty easily transmissible to small or big screen and could even be done well unlike, say, Johnny Mnemonic. One of the reasons I really enjoyed Nolan's Inception was that it reminded me of nothing so much as New Rose Hotel, from the Burning Chrome collection (Yes, I know a film version was made with Christopher Walken. It was awful.) Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser would be very cool. Leiber's stuff might be kind of difficult to get right, but the two leads carried the stories so well that, if the casting were done properly, I think the rest of the stuff (Ankhmar, gods on earth, etc.) could work. Along that same vein, what I'd really like to see is an Elric TV series.
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Dune Reboot 16 Apr 2017 23:25 #246651

The only essential Dune book is the first one. The next two can be done (in movie form), but they're not nearly as good. The rest is as unfilmable as uninteresting.
I agree with your assessment of Lynch's Dune, Shellhead. Every time I watch it, the beginning is really good and promising, the tone is pretty much right and wardrobe just excellent. And then it goes onto the second half and it is a complete trainwreck.
The worst thing about the movie (and the miniseries) is that they crucially misinterpret the source material, by making Paul a hero and Fremen - the freedom fighters, while Herbert is very specific even in the first book about fremen being extremely violent fanatics and how Paul (despite his efforts) becomes a catalyst for their interstellar jihad.
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Dune Reboot 17 Apr 2017 08:40 #246658

I agree with Vlad insofar as the first book is superior.

The second book reads as a prolonged epilogue.

The third book is just soft. Interesting ideas, but children and assassin cats can't carry it.

But I'll offer a counterpoint - I really enjoyed God Emperor. I feel it could have been developed further, but honestly - that book haunts me more than the rest.

Book five? Gah... Duncan Idaho is rubbish.

I can't even stomach reading book six since I know in advance it has an abrupt ending, only to be completed with a two volume set from Son and Anderson. No thanks.
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Dune Reboot 17 Apr 2017 08:53 #246660

I unabashedly love the Lynch version. I wish someone with editing skills would make a decent director's cut of it that adds in some of the things left out of the original and included in the current DC without butchering it like the current DC does.

Dune is a fantastic book and is weird as all shit. Lynch is actually spot on for it in a lot of ways and he gets a lot more right about it than wrong. He hits most of the important points and gets the plot across without getting wrapped up in unimportant details. And it's wild and fun.
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Dune Reboot 17 Apr 2017 09:22 #246661



I remember seeing the Dune move at the theater in 1984. The Lynch/De Laurentiis movie was great for fans of the book, but, there was so much that a new viewer couldn't understand. New viewers of the Dune epic felt lost and the movie was confusing for them which is why it wasn't a commercial success. And, Lynch wasn't allowed to complete his vision because the studio knew that this movie was a money-pit.

I actually prefer the Syfi channle Dune two-part mini-series. It lacked a big-budget, but, it was truer to the story and characters from the books. I'm also in the camp that thinks that the Dune epic needs a big-budget mini-series treatment like that received by Game of Thrones.

Regarding the Dune novels, I think that the first three novels are the best of the series. The first two are essential. However, as weird as the remainder are, they introduce some really cool, amazing scifi and Dune world concepts.

Awesome
1. Dune
2. Dune Messiah
3. Children of Dune

Avoid, but Great Concepts
4. God Emperor of Dune

Good to Mediocre
5. Heretics of Dune
6. Chapterhouse: Dune.

Novels 4, 5, & 6, introduce and expand upon some worthwhile concepts that, unfortunately, don't entirely carry their weight as novels, but are extremely cool, nonetheless: Golden Path, Fish Speakers, Face Dancers, Bene Tleilax, Ixian no-ships, Honored Matres, Bene Gesserit Imprinters, axlotl tanks, and "the scattering" (new Exodus).

The Honored Matres and the Bene Gesserit Imprinters, if covered, would, of course, turn Dune into a porno movie. ;-)

The Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson's prequel/sequel novels are all pulp, but, I enjoyed reading them--but, they're all entirely forgettable.
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