Walking Dead TV talk (w/ spoilers)

Black Barney wrote: It's too simple if you analyze the prisoner just on his own. It seems massively immoral to kill him and such.

But let's look at from the viewpoint of how his camp will react to news of the farm if they learn the location. And in this analysis let's completely flip the roles of the two camps.

Let's say that the prisoner is Glenn and Glenn makes it back to the farm. Glenn then says that another camp exists and they're nice and stuff but he's pretty sure this is the camp that killed Rick and, let's say Otis, in the bar the other day. And then the other camp likely killed Dale and the Black Guy who we sent out after Rick and Otis.

Follow me so far? (we're just switching the roles of the camp). At this point how does someone like Shane or Crossbow-guy feel about this? Would they want to exact revenge or would they leave the other camp alone?

And remember that this Philly camp is made up of MUCH more volatile and violent people than our camp. So if the survivor makes it back to his camp, no matter HOW well treated he was, I think that these guys will for sure want to raid the farm and exact revenge.

You can't let the survivor leave the farm alive if you intend to stay on the farm. That's my viewpoint.

I wouldn't let him go but I'd try to integrate him into my camp. Then at some point, instigate a meeting between us and them to see if we can get along. Somehow. But no, you dcould not let that guy go.

Yeah it means wasting resources watching him (and for that I can see why killing him is an easy decision ridding you of all sorts of potential problems). But I think I'd try the humane way first and integrate him into my camp.

Every episode finds me rooting for the zombies more and more.

actually that was a pretty funny moment in retrospect when Rick tells Shane, "we could just lock him in the barn but you'd probably let him out"

lol, that's awesome


hey, btw, what was with trying to find wound marks on the dead zombie cops? That was VERY un-Rick and un-Shane and a little more CSI or scientific. What do you think that means? Are they starting to tease us about how it started or is spread maybe?


You're right that the initial best play will be to try and integrate the new guy into the camp (and hopefully he prefers the new camp to his old one, or the stockholm syndrome kicks in or something. yay patty hearst).

But bringing him back to camp and letting him integrate will further split the camp into more of this civil war crap.

I actually think the Shane-Rick thing is working ok now, if too drawn out. It's because the show has finally decided to have both of them sound pretty reasonable due to their different post-apoc worldviews. Before, Shane just seemed inexplicably unreasonable in the way they wrote him. They are definitely going to the well far too many times at this point, though, I think they need to spread this conflict stuff out more.

Barney, I thought the wound thing was odd too. It's definitely them foreshadowing/jinkiesing something.

..and finally at the risk of turning some of you off the show a bit, I will steal my friend's thunder by bringing out a major gripe of his here:

WHAT is with them cutting their hands with the same knife they are killing zombies with?!?!? THAT TOTALLY SPREADS INFECTION, no?

And that idiot prisoner guy got a ton of zombie blood in his face, eyes and mouth when he went all overkill on the female zombie

I haven't been weighing in here because I've been behind on episodes but I'm all caught up! A couple of points. I think introducing the new guy who tried to kill you into a camp with your women is a pretty big risk.

That's why they were so upset to find out he knew the farmer's family. Despite all their attempts to blindfold him he knows where they live. Tough situation.

And I think Shane is still dangerous and possibly insane.

Black Barney wrote: WHAT is with them cutting their hands with the same knife they are killing zombies with?!?!? THAT TOTALLY SPREADS INFECTION, no?

I don't remember this scene. Can you give more details?

Mike, how can you think Shane is insane? He seems to have his shit together, no? He's making the right choices and is doing what he thinks is the best for the group. I think Lori seems the most nuts at this point and Angela has devolved into some sort of Post-Traumatic Syndrome shell of a person.


Green Lantern, ok remember how Rick shows Shane that you cut your hand and put blood on something to draw the walker to you and then you stab them in the head to kill them? Well, have you noticed that they are cutting their hands with the same knife they are killing walkers with? Shane did that in the bus. He cut his hand with the knife he killed a walker with (off-camera) at the fence earlier.

Black Barney wrote: Mike, how can you think Shane is insane? He seems to have his shit together, no? He's making the right choices and is doing what he thinks is the best for the group. I think Lori seems the most nuts at this point and Angela has devolved into some sort of Post-Traumatic Syndrome shell of a person.

IMHO, that's what they've been getting *right* this season, is that I can see Shane's point of view on a lot of the choices he's making.

One thing I REALLY disliked in the last episode is that they are spoon-feeding the audience on why Shane is actually a good person. I liked it before that some of us "get" Shane and most of us don't. It was cool cuz it was splitting the audience into two camps just like the group was getting split. but now they've made Shane very human and he's opened up so people are going to come around on Shane.

I liked being part of the minority that "got" Shane and thought he was important for the group.

But yeah, Season Two is certainly about characters now which is GREAT

Black Barney wrote: Green Lantern, ok remember how Rick shows Shane that you cut your hand and put blood on something to draw the walker to you and then you stab them in the head to kill them? Well, have you noticed that they are cutting their hands with the same knife they are killing walkers with? Shane did that in the bus. He cut his hand with the knife he killed a walker with (off-camera) at the fence earlier.

Oh man, you're right and I totally didn't pick up on that! I've got nothing to explain it either other than poor writing. Perhaps Rick and Shane did that BEFORE knifing a zombie? Even if the did that's one huge gamble to take with an unknown virus.

I get Shane and his motivations and would hate to see him go if I were part of that group. I looked at him as a hard-nosed survivor until he pointed a gun at Rick's back last season. From that point on he has become more unhinged and irrational, but from Rick's POV Shane is invaluable. If Dale were to share what he knows about Shane with Rick I could see the two come to an impasse and one would have to go. I can't see them reconciling that little conflict.

Rick cut his hand before he killed a zombie but Shane did the opposite.

I can't think this is poor writing because the timing of everything together indicates that they are foreshadowing a reveal of how else the virus spreads. I mean within 15 minutes the following things happened:

- they notice two dead zombie cops who weren't scratched or bitten (so the rest of us can presume they acquired zombism some other way such as being exposed to infected blood?

- Shane cuts his hand with a knife that was used 4 minutes earlier to kill a zombie in the head

- The prisoner guy goes crazy when killing a female zombie with a knife and blood sprays all over his face, for sure in his mouth a bit and maybe a bit in his eyes


All these things happened really close to each other.

So.....


prediction by Black barney: They somehow learn that you can get the virus by being exposed to blood after the survivor turns and thus giving them a REAL easy solution to that problem. This of course makes them worry that Shane might be infected and this sets off some sort of momentum to find a way to see if Shane is infected?

I dunno. Just a guess (I have not read the books)


oh, speaking of which, I know that we're allowed spoilers in this thread but for people that have read the comic book, can you not reveal anything about what might happen in the TV show? Cuz some of us haven't read the comic book and are enjoying the show. thanks

Will do. The comics definitely set out what the next move will be in the big picture, FWIW.

some jerk in another website spoiled something for me that is going to happen down the road and it's pretty big. I was all mad when I read it. He even put "spoiler" on it but I thought he was talking about the TV show.

DANG