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New "Classics"
I hope that we can all look back at this thread and laugh in ten years. It seems likely that better games may come out in the next several years. Or at least better games than Last Night on Earth or Descent. Think back even five years ago, what were the new "classics" then? A Game of Thrones? Arkham Horror? Arkham Horror is definitely looking like a new classic, but AGoT has dropped out of sight.
I played A Game of Thrones just over a week ago and it is absolutely just as good as it ever was. Definitely a classic in my book. Took Lannister, allied with Greyjoy to split the map, and made a push for my seventh city. Made a one-point miscalculation (forgot about a house card that killed a footman) and was pushed back and out of contention after that.
Just a fantastic game, man. Easily a classic in my book. Would play it anytime.
As for other classics, the initial list is quite good. Twilight Imperium, Descent, Arkham Horror, Battlestar Galactica, all of these I'd consider "instant classics."
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Ken, I agree that AGoT should be a classic. It's very innovative and tied to a great license. But locally, at least, here in FFG's backyard, AGoT is dead. Nobody plays it anymore, or even talks about it. I blame George R.R. Martin, for picking up several new hobbies instead of finishing the fifth book of the series. And I'm not the only one who is convinced that he will drop dead before finishing the sixth and seventh books. So many fans have cooled off over the setting, realizing that all we may get is part of an HBO series.
I wonder if its a question of the game or the license getting stale. It appears FFG is still pumping out expansions for the Card Game like crazy. I expect that a new book and the HBO series will create some buzz for the game even as its older.
Personally, I think the base game is fantastic and "worthy" of classic status but the expansions (except for Ports) were lackluster and needlessly complicated a pretty simple game. My only concern is that the 10 round limit are sort of anti-climatic and have a "rush for the end effect" which hurt the dramatic tension of the game.
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I was guilty of having the game sort of slide from my awareness too for a bit, even though it is one of my favorites. Then I sat down with it and am thinking, "Hot DAMN is this a good, tense, flippin' awesome game."
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Look at what 14 year old kids are playing today, and you get a good idea of what is going to still be around in 20 years. Each year I go to a one day con held by a high school game club. What I see on the table are Memoir '44, HeroScape, Zombies!, Munchkin, Last Night on Earth, Talisman, Cosmic Encounter, Descent, Magic the Gathering, D&D minis, and Axis & Allies. I expect that this weekend I'll probably see some Space Hulk. I'm curious to see if BSG is being played. If I see anyone under the age of 30 playing Game of Thrones, I'll let you know.
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At the moment "33" looks like one of the most intense TV episodes you've ever seen. It may look pretty tame in 2030.
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Personally I also know I'm gonna keep playing TI3 and Siege of the Citadel which I only bought a couple of years ago. And StarCraft is such a cool game that I hope to play that every now and then for many years.
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If Martin can finish the Game of Thrones series before he dies, or at least hand it off to a worthy successor like Melinda Snodgrass, I think that it will break through to a Tolkien level of enduring popularity
I really doubt that'll happen. Tolkien is on the same level with Star Trek, Star Wars and Harry Potter. It's an echelon of fandom genre writers aspire to, but few make.
I'd put Martin and the Fire and Ice Saga at the same level as Herbert and Dune. Lots of people love it but no one is making video games based on the license or people cosplaying as Cersei Lannister at Comic Con.
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I really doubt that'll happen. Tolkien is on the same level with Star Trek, Star Wars and Harry Potter. It's an echelon of fandom genre writers aspire to, but few make.
I'd put Martin and the Fire and Ice Saga at the same level as Herbert and Dune. Lots of people love it but no one is making video games based on the license or people cosplaying as Cersei Lannister at Comic Con.
If Martin finishes the books and the HBO series is very good, this license could have some serious legs. Of course, that isn't going to happen, because Martin is living it up at conventions and book signings instead of writing. And with his background in writing for TV, I think that the HBO series will end up being another major distraction for him, even if they have their own team of writers doing the scripts.
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That's what lifts him above Herbert, whose story lines are far more intense and compelling.
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The true classics would probably be based on books, like Arkham Horror, Fury of the Dracula, War of the Ring, or stand on their own universe like TI3 and Descent.
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I agree with Sag, and this is why I don't think games like Starcraft and BSG will last. They're tied to videogames and tv shows which are a more ethereal form of entertainment than literature, there's always the next big thing that makes people forget about it.
The true classics would probably be based on books, like Arkham Horror, Fury of the Dracula, War of the Ring, or stand on their own universe like TI3 and Descent.
But video games didn't exist back when these original classics came out. Starcraft is a video game that came out 10 years ago and it still has devoted fans. So why can't the board game become a classic?
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