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When did you first notice that Star Wars sucks?
Seriously, I think Star Wars died around the same instant as Biggs. The story needed the Errol Flynn lookalike Biggs because he was someone to whom we could compare Luke Skywalker, allowing us to reflect on the nature of Luke's heroism. Han Solo eventually took on that role instead, pushing Biggs almost completely out of the movie (is he there at all in the latest edits?). The problem with Han Solo, as opposed to Biggs, is that the audience *likes* Solo, and Luke doesn't compare favourably. If Han Solo sucked more, Luke would have seemed like less of a whiny ass, and the writers wouldn't have had to cook up that cringe-inducing incest angle to resolve the Luke-Han-Leia love triangle.
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Then Attack of the Clones happened and 3P0 became the most horrible joke-teller ever. Every single time he spoke it was to make a cliche joke. At this point I fully gave up on Star Wars.
I think you're wrong to give up on Star Wars from Episode IV. A Special TIE Fighter does NOT have fancy sensor equipment. You can blame the Force if anything. Vader was pretty focused at the time anyway
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That and when I relaized that my favorite SW movie was not directed by Lucas.
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It was a good movie....for its time.
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Furthermore, Vader is not analogous to the Pope in this situation. Tarkin had supreme command of the Death Star, so it would have been unusual to see Tarkin hop in a TIE fighter. Or, for that matter, the Emperor in the new Death Star in Return. I'm not sure why you're even including Biggs in the equation, since he has a total of about 30 seconds of screen time and a brief reference in the early part of the movie. He's essentially a plot device demonstrating Luke's desire to get off Tattoine and was never meant to be more than that.
Finally, the "writers" didn't have to come up with the incest issue. Lucas has stated before that the two of them were siblings from the very beginning and she was intended to fall for the "bad guy" from the outset.
So, I guess I'm saying that I'm not sure where the foundation is for your complaints. I mean, obviously, if that's your opinion, that's your opinion. But it seems to be based on a lot of assertions that either don't have a basis in the script or seem to be drawn from very little substance.
For me, it kinda died with the Ewoks. I was disturbed that we went from the dark and gripping Empire to the utterly sanitized Return (it was originally titled "Revenge of the Jedi" before Lucas decided that was too violent or some such thing.) But the death knell was definitely the prequels. The story was shallow; the script was awful; the action scenes seemed to be designed for marketing as games (admittedly, I have a copy of Queen's Gambit and love it...) It was just a bad film and made very capable actors (Portman, MacGregor, Neeson) look like complete idiots. The subsequent films were even worse in many respects.
Lucas says that's the kind of corny shit that makes him happy so, whatevs. But I was pretty dismayed to see a franchise that I had loved as a kid (I saw the first film a week after its release, when I was 7 years old, and then another 3 times after that) basically ignore its long-time audience in favor of... something.
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It is clear that in the original Star Wars, Luke and Leia are NOT brother and sister. Han becomes her love interest in later movies because the good girl/bad boy dynamic was better than princess/peasant dynamic between Luke and Leia. Luke also becomes a paladin figure later and thus above sexuality. They don't become brother and sister until Return of the Jedi and that of course is where Lucas' ideas were getting worse.
It is clear that Vader is outside the normal power structure of the Empire's military in the first movie. He is not a junior emperor. He is more of a special agent sent to deal with problems outside the bounds of day to day oppression. He is clearly outranked by the Admiral in charge of the Death Star. A real world analogy would be Sepp Deitrich in WW2. An SS officer sent to "put out fires"...he was high ranking, he was feared and he commanded a tank when he needed to just like Vader piloting a Tie fighter when he needs to.
As to how the Millennium Falcon can sneak up. Vader was in a duel with Luke at the time. Focusing his piloting and force against Luke's in an attempt to target him. It is not surprising he paid little heed to the rest of the battle. Also remember they were in a trench. Sensors that can see through everything, detect everything and can analyze everything from any distance is pure Star Trek not Star Wars.
Biggs is really a side note. He is not the character to whom we relate. That is Han Solo. He's the everyday guy skeptical of causes and the force.
In the end, the first two movies are awesome. They are consistent and hold together. It is not until Lucas grabs back the reins in Return of the Jedi and surrounds himself with yes men that the series begins to fall apart.
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The Ewoks are cool as hell. I love that they're primitive bear people that fight with rocks and sticks. I like that they're kid-oriented, I love that they make Return of the Jedi classifiable as a midget film. I like seeing their babies, I like Wicket, I like that C3PO (a golden man from the sky) tells them the stories that will one day become their religion. I like the "jub jub" song, all of it.
I like Jedi too. I think it's the most _fun_ out of all three OT films. It covers a lot of ground and maintains a light, swashbuckly tone. And come the fuck on y'all, the space battle at the end is the BEST EVER.
Where I noticed that SW sucks though, wasn't actually in Episode I. I gave that the benefit of a doubt. It was really in Episode II, when Anakin and Padme date. That was so, so, so, so, so awful. That was the first time where I just blindly hated something Star Wars. In retrospect, Jake Lloyd's "are you an angel" line might have done it too.
I'm going to watch Jedi tonight. Screw y'all.
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Watch the movie, enjoy and move on.
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But as a kid I felt betrayed when Boba Fett died for comic relief and to this day I can't forgive the original series that fatal flaw of crushing my 10 year old heart. Any subsequent criticisms I've come up with as an adult don't count because they were kids movies.
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Star Wars prequels are a let down for sure and feature some really cringe worthy moments but still don't totally suck.
The universe as a whole, especially when looking at various support medias like video games and comics is glorious and wonderful and fuck all you nerd raging jerk offs who think you're too cool for campy space opera entertainment.
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When TPM came out, I wasn't even going to bother going, but a friend who was a SW fanatic dragged me to see it. I thought it was okay at best, and didn't bother seeing the other two in the theater. When I had the chance to see them at home, I decided I'd watch the prequel trilogy from the beginning all at once. I sat down with TPM, and I couldn't make it past ten minutes. So fucking boring. Never did watch the other two, and probably never will.
Gotta say, though, this universe has given us some damn good video games. Jedi Knight and its sequels are super badass.
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The prequels are what killed it. I kept going back thinking they'd get better, but pretty much everything about them was ass. Lucas's refusal to release an unaltered, or at least less altered (some of the changes aren't bad ie Cloud City), version of the OT isn't helping me care any more. I'm pretty much over Star Wars, which is sad but you have to grow up at some point, right?
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