Ogre...Kickstarter...you in?

wolvendancer wrote: 3. Marked-up product? Another complete falsehood. The general 'rule' is that you must undercut your pricing for Kickstarter, a rule SSG might be breaking.

Dogmatix wrote: .
But, I'm curious now: is that a real Terms of Service rule or just a basic "how to generate interest" rule of thumb?

wolvendancer wrote: When's the last time we had a turn-based Western RPG hit the market? Now, we have three million-dollar prjects ramping up.

El Cuajinais wrote:

wolvendancer wrote: When's the last time we had a turn-based Western RPG hit the market? Now, we have three million-dollar prjects ramping up.

Can you please provide a link or the name of this project? I presume you are talking about a video game here, and I would be interested in taking a look at this. (Though we will be getting the balls-out awesome Firaxis x-com game later this year).

wolvendancer wrote: When's the last time we had a turn-based Western RPG hit the market? Now, we have three million-dollar prjects ramping up.

wolvendancer wrote: Please note that it's the people who would have recieved the additional exclusive content that are objecting. As much as asshats want to be cynical about KS, it really is something different.

Dogmatix wrote:

wolvendancer wrote: Please note that it's the people who would have recieved the additional exclusive content that are objecting. As much as asshats want to be cynical about KS, it really is something different.

Yea, I'm not one of those types. I'm of the "if you want my money up front, a bribe is in order" crowd. There *is* going to have to be some sort of reward for putting my money at risk that *isn't* going to go to the risk-averse crowd. Being a fan of the Grateful Dead doesn't mean I sprinkle my whole world in fairy dust.

cdennett wrote: Not to derail what was to be another inevitable Kickstarter debate, but why should I care about this? I hadn't even heard of Ogre until this thread, and it looks like an old war game with big ass tanks developed by a Steve Jackson who I've never thought much of (his games or his RPGs). Yet some of you guys are jumping in line like it's the second coming. What am I missing?

ehanuise wrote: Nothing, it's not for you, move around, nothing to see
You're not the target demographic, that's all. Ogre is an old school wargame, pretty simple for a wargame but complex by comparison to many current games. Add to this a mix of nostalgia, and super pimped up components, and that's all.
Gee, I want one ^^

TheDukester wrote:

Mr Skeletor wrote: SJ is no great shakes as a businessman. He runs one of the oldest companies in the business yet it's never gone anywhere has it?

Christsakes, speaking directly out of your ass yet again. Dislike him if you feel that increases your gamer cred, but give credit where it is due: the man has kept an independent business running for 32 years and provided a living for dozens and dozens of people during that time. Meanwhile, the hobby landscape is littered with the corpses of countless failed businesses during that time. I think SJ knows a thing or two about keeping the lights on.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that SJ has relied too much upon being a businessman in the last few years and has forgotten how to be creative. The reliance upon Munchkin has certainly paid the bills, but the company as a whole feels stagnant and has not done something truly creative in many years. In a way, I'm glad to see them try this Kickstarter thing, if for no other reason than it's new and different for them ... and doesn't revolve around Munchkin.

Mr Skeletor wrote:

TheDukester wrote:

Mr Skeletor wrote: SJ is no great shakes as a businessman. He runs one of the oldest companies in the business yet it's never gone anywhere has it?

Christsakes, speaking directly out of your ass yet again. Dislike him if you feel that increases your gamer cred, but give credit where it is due: the man has kept an independent business running for 32 years and provided a living for dozens and dozens of people during that time. Meanwhile, the hobby landscape is littered with the corpses of countless failed businesses during that time. I think SJ knows a thing or two about keeping the lights on.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that SJ has relied too much upon being a businessman in the last few years and has forgotten how to be creative. The reliance upon Munchkin has certainly paid the bills, but the company as a whole feels stagnant and has not done something truly creative in many years. In a way, I'm glad to see them try this Kickstarter thing, if for no other reason than it's new and different for them ... and doesn't revolve around Munchkin.

Your second paragraph backs my point. Being a good businessman involves more than just surviving. It involves GROWTH. Where is the growth in SJG? If anything the company has regressed and does less now than ever.
There is no comparison between SJG and FFG, Zman, Flying Frog, all the german publishers. SJG should be an industry giant, instead its just a munchkin printer.

2003   $2,500,000
2004   $2,800,000
2005   $2,400,000
2006   $2,400,000
2007   $2,880,000
2008   $2,900,000
2009   $3,000,000
2010   $3,500,000
2011   $4,500,000