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About the music:
Also agreed on David Pumpkins. I roll my eyes when Americans talk about SNL but that was genuinely funny.
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Besides the music, also the movie posters and videogames.
Anyway...
I actually had this one mostly figured out about half-way through. A few years back I was reading up on Singularity scenarios and this was one of them. The episode was a fine introduction to the concept, but at this point I want to know more about the particulars. Who funds this set-up for individuals or is it a right for everyone to have the option to upload cost free? Does a consequence free 'eternity' mean individuals may go darker and darker looking for thrills and new experiences...thus ending up in places like Quagmire? I felt like the show sort of alluded to that. I've long thought I'd opt to not get uploaded as I'm a bit of a romantic, particularly if my children had already passed prior to. Plus, even being uploaded to a machine isn't going to last forever. But, this was interesting to revisit and think about.
I did like that the romantic leads were female, yet being in a homosexual relationship wasn't really trotted out as the point at all. This could have been a heterosexual couple and nothing would have been lost. Also, for Yorkie being inside TCKR or 'Tucker' was essentially her first go at life given what happened to her in the meat.
Good episode though. Ranks up there with classic Twilight Zones for me.
Nosedive, though, may have more impact on my immediate future. My FB usage has dropped considerably over the past several months. I mainly use it for some communities of interest and less for 'listening in on' the lives of people I may have once come across. My wife has already pretty much gotten off and I'm considering maybe cutting my list down to like 25 people. Just a small group that I'm actually close to...sort of like an open email or text chain. I do like that photos I've uploaded are all sorted and easy to review...much more so than the digital mess that is our real photo archive... And, like I said, I do enjoy being part of some of the hobby communities. That and I'm looking to start up a side business in my physical community in the near future and the FB page for our neighborhood will be instrumental in its launch.
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Not that SJ was perfect either, because the core philosophical debate over the whole premise was covered mostly in one conversation.
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Also, I guess it's possible that TCKR created Kelly for Yorkie. I mean, if the system creates these heavenly eras for its occupants...whose to know which people are 'souls/consciences' vs program AIs? I mean was the bartender at Tuckers or other service workers programs run by TCKR to serve the occupants? Then it's possible that TCKR could also create a Kelly entity for Yorkie's pleasure.
And what about glitches? Does the TCKR system have a backup of these consciences in the case of a power failure/virus/some other event? Would these people then have two consciences about?
I know these thoughts ultimately don't matter for the show as it takes a layman's approach to tell a charming tale. Still, as a possible direction some want us to head into, these other points are worth thinking about.
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I'd be interested in reading the plot points of season 2 to see some resolution, but I don't know if we'll actually watch it.
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wasn't clear what happened at the end though. was he crying because they left him his memories of what he's done and he knows that what he's looking at may not be reality? I would have thought they'd have to wipe his memories to keep him in line.
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Disgustipater wrote: We just finished Stranger Things. We thought it was good, but neither I, nor my wife get the universal raves about the show. It was fine, but it didn't grab us like some other "big" shows. Maybe we missed some of the nostalgia, but there is definitely overlap.
I'd be interested in reading the plot points of season 2 to see some resolution, but I don't know if we'll actually watch it.
I didn't really love it either. I thought it was good, the ending pissed me off but it was ok. In comparing it to Black Mirror I felt that Stranger Things spent too much time and energy looking backwards while Black Mirror spent that same time and energy looking forward. Nostalgia irritates me sometimes and I feel like it's a cheap way to garner sympathy for a piece of art. I'd rather a show take a chance at alienating me.
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comparisons to back mirror are off. that's a totally different sort of of show playing on our fears of where technology could head. totally different than stranger things.
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Mr. White wrote: hmmm...I didn't think Stranger Things was a vehicle for looking backwards. it was a decent supernatural/horror tale set in the early 80's. the same tale could have been placed in the 60s or 2020s or any era.
comparisons to back mirror are off. that's a totally different sort of of show playing on our fears of where technology could head. totally different than stranger things.
When you say it like that I agree with you completely. There aren't comparable really... but they were both in the thread so I though what the hell. While I don't think Stranger Things was a vehicle for looking backwards I do think it tried to hook you in with nostalgia a little bit. It wasn't the gist of the show and it could be re-set but the way it's made is similar to how they made those kinds of films in the 80's.. it definitely borrows a style and it relies, somewhat, on nostalgia. I've seen several critics and fans of the show go on at length about the amazing 80's feel and how in line it was with other shows from that time. Close Encounters, Goonies, ET... It's very deliberately set in that time and does it to such a degree that I've even heard people say that if you grew up in that time you will probably get more out of it.
I liked the show and watched it pretty quickly so don't get me wrong... I just think that is a weakness of sorts.
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Mr. White wrote: watched Men Against Fire...found it more disturbing than Nosedive or San Juniper because
Warning: Spoiler!in the others you can opt out of participation. you've no choice if a govt/corporation dehumanizes you to that degree.
wasn't clear what happened at the end though. was he crying because they left him his memories of what he's done and he knows that what he's looking at may not be reality? I would have thought they'd have to wipe his memories to keep him in line.
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JonJacob wrote:
Mr. White wrote: hmmm...I didn't think Stranger Things was a vehicle for looking backwards. it was a decent supernatural/horror tale set in the early 80's. the same tale could have been placed in the 60s or 2020s or any era.
comparisons to back mirror are off. that's a totally different sort of of show playing on our fears of where technology could head. totally different than stranger things.
When you say it like that I agree with you completely. There aren't comparable really... but they were both in the thread so I though what the hell. While I don't think Stranger Things was a vehicle for looking backwards I do think it tried to hook you in with nostalgia a little bit. It wasn't the gist of the show and it could be re-set but the way it's made is similar to how they made those kinds of films in the 80's.. it definitely borrows a style and it relies, somewhat, on nostalgia. I've seen several critics and fans of the show go on at length about the amazing 80's feel and how in line it was with other shows from that time. Close Encounters, Goonies, ET... It's very deliberately set in that time and does it to such a degree that I've even heard people say that if you grew up in that time you will probably get more out of it.
I liked the show and watched it pretty quickly so don't get me wrong... I just think that is a weakness of sorts.
So, something like The Witch is praised for evoking a time period through costume design, sets, score, etc. However, Stranger Things does it and it's relying on nostalgia as a cheap hook? I understand what you're saying about how the 80s was used to draw us in, but I find doing it well to be part of the art itself. I mean, again, The Witch isn't knocked for telling an olde tyme tale and Stranger Things took it one step further. Not only did it have to accurately portray an era...but they also went so far as to film it with a similar aesthetic to movies of the era. Granted there were no moving pictures in the 17th century for us to emulate, so The Witch is filmed with all the benefits of modern film making...and praised.
The only thing that I'm not excited about with Stranger Things is that these sorts of productions tend to be a generations real last impact culturally. Think back how in the 80s there was The Wonder Years and the 30 Something TV show. Great to serve those who grew up in the 60s (our parents), but after those and Forest Gump...not much else came out had anything to say about that era anymore outside of documentaries. Now our generation has hit the professional point of the one before where we control the medium and we get these sort of nostalgic shows like Stranger Things. Shortly after this we're gonna be heading into our 50s...some of us into retirement. I'm guessing there won't be too much media directed towards our generation in a decade. Maybe I'm over thinking it though...
Either way, glad to see you posting more regularly again, Jacob!
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